See Half, Farm Half: The Eightfold Path on the Board

37:39 You have to see rightly to speak rightly... where did she go? He was looking for me. When you look right, then you speak right words. You have to see rightly to think rightly, and think rightly to speak rightly, and speak rightly to find your way to a right life. When you are able to look correctly, then you can see things correctly, then you can talk correctly, then you can have a correct life.

바로 봐야 바른 말을 할 수 있고... 어디 갔어? 바로 봐야 바른 생각을 할 수 있고, 바른 생각을 해야 바른 말을 할 수 있고, 바른 말을 해야 바른 생을 살아갈 수가 있다고.

38:24 Do you understand that? But this one is alone. Simple. But this is only your self. Just one. It's self-centered. But this one is telling us how to live [with others]. This is the same: seeing. It's looking. And this is thinking. This is thinking too. This is action.

그런데 이것은 혼자야. 단순하고. 자기중심이야. 그런데 이것은 우리는 [법으로/더불어] 살아가라는 것이기 때문에. 이건 같은 [봄]이야. 보는 거야. 그리고 이것은 생각이야. 생각이야 이것도. 이거는 행동이야.

39:14 This one is the proof that we live together with others. If this side was before marriage, when you were single, then this side is after marriage. So when you marry, you have to understand each other. What it means is: this side is seeing with the naked eye (肉眼), and this side is seeing with the heart (心眼). Seeing the heart... what you see with the eyes: do you see the whole, or only half? So, okay, this is like when you are single, this is after marriage. When you live with other people, when you live alone, when you are looking at

이건 같이 더불어 살아가기 때문에 [증거]야. 이게 결혼하기 전에 싱글이었다고 하면 이거는 결혼 후예요. 그래서 결혼하면 상대방을 서로 이해를 해야 되는 거죠. 뭐냐면, 육안으로, 눈으로 본 거고 이건 마음으로 본 거예요. 마음을 본 거. 눈으로 본 거는 전체를 다 봐? 반만 봐?

40:02 the world, or when you live alone, how do you look at the world? And this is thinking, but it's my thinking alone. This is thinking together with the other person. So when you live all by yourself, when you think, You only think for more selfish reasons. But at this time you live with other people, you think about other people. If I've said the right words, if I've spoken, I have to carry it into action before it comes to a conclusion. If you only talk and don't act, [unclear]. So when you're single, you speak right words, but when you are with other people, you need to communicate.

그리고 생각을 하는 건데 이건 나 혼자만의 생각이야. 이것은 상대방과 같이 더불어 생각하는 것입니다. 이건 바른 말을 했으면, 내가 말을 했으면 행동까지 옮겨야 결론이 나는 거지. 말만 하고 행동하지 않으면 [불분명].

41:05 And then you gotta do the action. You gotta get to work. When you marry, it isn't just saying "I love you" with words. You have to really love for it to be a marriage. So when you are married, not just words, "I love you", you need to act. You need to show that you love each other. Only that way can you live a right life. This is called the Eightfold Path (八正道). The eight right ways to live.

결혼을 해 가지고 사랑한다고 말로만 하는 게 아니라 진짜 사랑을 해야 결혼이 되는 거예요. 그렇게 해야 올바른 생활을 할 수 있는 거지. 이것을 팔정도라 그래. 살아가는 여덟 가지 바른 길이야.

41:57 So, all of you, when you look in the mirror, So, when you look in the mirror, can you see your whole body or only half of it? when you look in the mirror, do you see your whole body, or only half? You see only half and say you saw it all. That's right. People say only look at half and they say I saw all. So someone can say, "I saw it clearly with these two eyes, why do you call me a liar?" So lots of people say, "I saw it with my eyes, why are you lying to me?"

그래서 여러분들 거울을 보면 말이야. 거울을 보면 내 몸이 다 보이나, 반만 보이나? 반만 보고 다 봤다고 그러지. 그래서 내가 이 두 눈으로 똑똑히 봤는데 뭘 거짓말 하느냐, 이렇게 얘기할 수가 있잖아.

42:45 Lots of people say that. But actually, didn't they see only half and say they saw it all? Then did they tell the truth, or did they lie? So, do they say truth or lie? A liar. So a lie is deceiving the other person. So you deceive the other person, because you lied. When you farm, you look at the crop, its outward shape... If you farm by the outward shape alone, you go along not knowing its heart.

그런데 사실은 반만 보고 다 봤다고 한 거 아니야? 그러면 바른 말 한 거예요, 거짓말 한 거예요? 거짓말쟁이요. 그러니까 거짓말은 상대방을 속인 거지. 농사지을 때 작물을 보고 겉모양, 겉모양만 보고 농사지으면 그 속마음을 모르고 다녀.

43:33 So when you're farming, you're just looking at the outside appearance of the crop. You didn't see the inside of the crop, actually. So because you farmed by looking only at the outside, So, because you only saw the outside of the crop, that's why it became an unhealthy mangosteen. this mangosteen, rotten inside, was made. An unhealthy mangosteen. So, if you look at the mangosteen's life cycle truly, then you could see the correct way. You have to grasp its physiology and ecology properly to [see its heart].

그래서 겉모양만 보고 농사짓기 때문에 이 속이 썩은 망고스틴이 만들어진 것. 안 건강한 망고스틴. 생리 생태 그걸 제대로 파악을 해 가지고 봐야 [속마음까지 본 거지].

44:25 So this is seeing only the tree, not seeing its life force. So this side, they saw only the tree. They didn't see the life in the tree. If I talk like this today, the person who gave me this as a gift may feel bad, but I wasn't trying to make you feel bad, but because you gave me this rotten mangosteen, don't take it badly. Because I saw this, I can explain it to all of you in detail, so you did a big thing. Actually, you helped all of us to show what is going on with this fruit.

그래서 이거는 나무만 본 거고 생명력은 보지 않은 거예요. 오늘 이런 얘기를 하게 되면 이걸 나한테 선물로 주신 분이 기분 나쁠지도 모르겠지만은 기분 나쁘게 생각하지 말고, 이런 걸 내가 봤기 때문에 여러분들에게 자세한 얘기를 설명할 수 있으니까 큰일을 한 거라고.

45:11 So you did a big service. So all of you should give the person who gave me this mangosteen a round of applause. So please have a big hand for her. You don't feel bad, right? You don't feel bad. No, I'm not feeling bad. She says she doesn't feel bad. She doesn't feel bad. That makes me feel good too. So these here are the eight right things, which is why we call it the Eightfold Path, So this is the right way to live, eight of the right ways to live.

그러면 이 망고스틴을 선물 준 분에게 여러분 박수 한번 보내 줘야 돼요. 안 나쁘대. 기분 안 나쁘대. 그게 나도 기분이 좋은 거예요. 그래서 여기 이걸, 이게 여덟 가지 바른 거라서 팔정도라고 얘기하는 건데

46:04 So you have to see all this straight before you can talk with the other person, right? And when you've seen that and thought rightly, you can hold the other person in your heart and care for them, can't you? So when you are looking at the right way, then you will have a right thought, so you can start to be more considerate; you become a more considerate person. Then I say, "Give this, at this time." That's the point. So I tell the person when is the right time to give what.

그래서 이걸 다 똑바로 봐야 상대방과 이야기를 할 거 아니요. 그리고 그걸 보고서 바른 생각을 했을 때 상대방을 내 마음에 담아 가지고 생각할 수가 있지 않나요? 그러면 언제 뭘 줘야 되겠다고 내가 말을 한다 이거지.

46:54 Then you have to put those words into practice and see the result. So you need to put it into action so you can see the result. So then when I come back, I can have a delicious coffee. That way, next time I come, I'll drink delicious coffee. So you cannot just talk, you need to put into action. Talking alone won't do. You have to act. So, not just by myself, we need to live right way together. Got it? Got it. Only that way can you live a right life, and not just me living rightly alone; we should live rightly together, shouldn't we?

그러면 그 말을 실천에 옮겨서 결과를 봐야 되죠. 그래야 내가 다음 [올] 때 맛있는 커피를 마실 거야. 말만 하고는 안 되는 거지. 행동을 해야지. 알았습니까? 알았습니다. 그래야, 그렇게 해야 바른 생활을 살아갈 수 있는데 나 혼자만 바른 생활을 살아가는 게 [아니라] 더불어 바른 생활을 해야 될 거 아니야?

47:52 So that's the right way to living altogether. So when we farm, we have to keep the Eightfold Path to farm properly. So when we farm, we need to farm in this way, then we can farm much better. This wisdom came out from China. There is Dogyo [Taoism]. Where this saying comes from: there is Taoism in China. Dogyo [Taoism]. I don't know it in English. It teaches the right way. So this is like a moral class, moral religion, moral ethic.

그러니까 우리가 농사지을 때 팔정도를 바로 지켜야 제대로 농사지을 수가 있다. 여기 이 말은 어디서 나왔냐 하면 중국의 도교가 있어요. 도교. 영어를 몰라요. 바른 길을 가르치는.

48:42 So in China they have this moral ethic, the wisdom came out from there. So I studied Buddhism a lot, studied Confucianism a lot, and Taoism, and almost every religion on earth, I've read nearly all of them. He read lots of different religion books, Buddhism and Confucian, and they don't know... Daoism. Daoism. So I studied a lot, all those. But what I realized there is this: in Buddhism and Confucianism, a person gains it by their own effort; it's attaining the Way.

그래서 내가 불교 공부도 많이 했고 유교 공부도 많이 했고, 도교나 그냥 지구상에 나오는 종교는 거의 다 [읽었다고]. 그런데 거기서 내가 깨달은 게 뭐냐 하면, 불교나 유교는 사람이 노력을 해서 얻는 거고, 득도고.

49:27 So in Buddhism or Taoism, the people work hard and that's how they receive. But in Christianity, what matters is that God bestows grace. But in Christianity, God is giving you lots of blessing. So a person only has to make the bowl that receives grace and hold it. So human beings, we just have to make the container for receiving the blessing.

그런데 기독교는 하나님이 은혜를 베풀어 주는 것이 중요한 거예요. 그래서 사람은 은혜를 받아들일 그릇만 만들어 가지고 있으면 되는 거예요.

50:14 That's all you need. Just receive. That is how it differs from Buddhism and Confucianism. There is a difference between Christianity and other religions. Don't misunderstand me. It's not just selfish talking here. Hallelujah! So, do you understand our mangosteen now? Do you understand about this mangosteen? What is wrong? Not only mangosteen, but papaya, banana, paprika,

그것이 불교, 유교와 기독교가 다른 것입니다. 그럼 우리 망고스틴 이해가 되시겠어요? 망고스틴만이 아니고 파파야나 바나나나 파프리카나

51:00 It's not just mangosteen, but papaya, banana, paprika, ginger, onion, garlic, all the same. what's ginger [in English]? And onion, garlic. It's all the same. And there is a timing to it, so next time, when you set the dates, I'll go round the farms, there'll be all kinds of crops, and I'll look at the crops and tell you exactly, and it'll be a great lesson. When he comes back, when he visit all these different farms, there are different crops, and then he will tell

생강이 뭐지? 그리고 양파, 마늘. 그리고 다 마찬가지예요. 그러니까 시기가 있는 거니까 다음에 여러분들이 날짜 잡는다 그러면 현장을 돌아갈 거니까 여러 가지 작물이 있을 거다. 작물을 보고 딱딱 얘기를 할 거니까 그러면 굉장히 공부가 될 거예요.

51:47 you what is going with this crop and you will learn much better. At that time, each of you should bring a recorder. Then you record what I say, take it, and write it down. Then take what you wrote down, what you heard, study it, make it into a write-up and send it to me. So after you write it down, all the information he told you, and then make a copy, send me that information.

그때는 여러분들 녹음기를 하나씩 준비해 가지고 오라고. 그래 가지고 내가 얘기한 걸 여러분들이 녹음을 해 가지고 그걸 받아서 [글로] 적으라고. 그래 가지고 그걸 갖다가 자기가 들은 걸 적어 가지고 익혀서 [글을] 만들어 가지고 나한테 보내 줘.

52:34 I'll look at it: "Ah, this part was misheard, this means that," and I'll check it and send it back. Oh, this person misunderstood this part, etc. To do that, Kim Chang has to give up time translating, and I have to give up time too, so you should put out a little work fee. So, to do that, Kim Chang has to translate and I have to spend time to read that. I need some work fee.

그걸 내가 보고서 아, 여기가 잘못 들었다, 이건 이거다, 이것을 다시 체크해서 보내 드릴 테니까요. 그러려고 하면은 김창 [씨]가 번역하는 시간도 뺏겨야 되고, 나도 시간을 뺏겨야 되니까 작업비를 조금 내놓아야지.

53:24 Compensation. Consulting fee. If you give a lot, I won't say no to it. If you guys give me lots of money, I wouldn't say no. Instead, only when some material resources build up can natural farming spread easily here in Hawaii. Material? Just some money has to pile up. So, if you have enough money, then it's much easier to work. Then, yeah, there's always expenses, that's what.

여러분이 많이 주는 거는 내 싫다고 [안] 하는 거예요. 대신 이런 물적 축적이 쌓여져야 하와이에서 자연농업을 전개하는 데 가볍게 이루어 갈 수가 있다고. 물적? 그냥 [돈이] 좀 쌓여야.

54:10 So I won't ask for much. If you earned more than you did farming before, then just give me a tenth of the extra. I'm not going to ask you lots of money. So, when you farm with the natural farming, and then if you increase so much from there, From that increase, only give me 10%. I'm not asking for money in advance. Once you've made the money, put it out according to your conscience. I'm not asking you to give me money ahead. After you make money, and then honest, with your honesty,

그래서 많이 달라고 하지 않을 테니까, 지금까지 내가 농사짓던 것보다 수익이 더 나왔다, 그럼 더 나은 것에 10분의 1만 줘. 돈을 미리 달라는 것은 아니요. 돈을 [번] 다음에 양심껏 내놓으라는 거예요.

54:57 with that honesty, give me that money. Saying this now, I'm not someone who only knows money. I give first and ask only from what you gained, so it's not unfair, is it? So I'm not just asking you money. I give you all this information and knowledge. I give you first, and then I'm only receiving very little. So you don't feel bad, right? Right now I'm working in China, and there, just for passing on my technology, the royalty is 150 million won.

지금 이 얘기를 하면 내가 돈만 아는 사람이 아니라 전해 주고 얻은 거에서 달라고 하는 거니까 억울하지 않지? 지금 내가 중국에서 일을 하고 있는데, 거기는 내가 기술을 전해 주는 것만 가지고서 1억 5천만 원이 로열티야.

55:43 In China, this certain company, he just tells them his technology. And then, you know what? 1,500,000? How much is 1,500,000 won? Oh, take 1,000 out of it. It's like $10,000. Oh, they give you $10,000. Huh? 1,500,000. No. No. 1.5 million. 1.5 million.

56:28 1.5 million. 1.5 million. Renminbi? Renminbi? In [Chinese] money? No. In Korean money. China dollars. Chinese dollars? No, Korean dollars. Oh, they're giving the Korean money. So, 1.5 million dollars. Take three zeros off it. Take out three zeros? No need to calculate, no need to calculate. [unclear] If you think it's [unclear], just put out 10%. It's okay, don't worry about it. Just discard all that. Just what I told you, when you increase from now to where you increased from there, just give me a 10%.

[중국] 돈으로요? 아니요. 한국 돈으로요. 따질 거 없어, 따질 거 없어. [불분명] 10%만 내놔.

57:14 So, all of you, in Hawaii, to develop natural farming, to develop natural farming in the city-and-country global village so we can live happily: put it out in that happy spirit. So that money is spreading this natural farming throughout the earth. So it's just like a... [Korean word, 'chanjo'?] You give a... Like a forward investment? No, no, not the investment. Profit sharing? Not the profit sharing. We pay the public radio, we give money and all that.

자 그러면 여러분들이 말이죠, 하와이에 자연농업을 발전시키기 위해서, 도농 지구촌에 자연농업을 발전시켜서 행복하게 살아갈 수 있는, 행복한 기분으로 알고 내놓는 겁니다.

58:01 Donations. Donations, yeah. My brain is getting tired. Are you tired? Please, think of it as a donation. You probably understand all this, right? Next time I come to Hawaii, let's go round [each] farm and diagnose it this way. So, I will try to plan, when I come back next time, we can travel to different farms and

아마 혹시 이 내용 아시겠죠? 다음에 내가 하와이에 올 때는 [각] 농장을 다 [방문]하면서 이런 식으로 진단을 할 수 있게끔 한번 시켜 보자고.

58:46 learn from that farm, with a prescription, how to correct this, etc. Where do you apply IMO5? At the drip line? At the drip line, yes. Drip line? Yes, drip line. [She's asking] where to spread this IMO5. I guess I didn't hear it. I had it down as around the edge of the tree, as wide as its spread.

드립 라인? 네, 드립 라인. 이거 [IMO5]를 어디다가 뿌리냐(고). 제가 못 들었나 봐요. 여기서 나무 가생이, 품 있는 대로. 그렇게 기억을 했어요.