What a Crop Can Do: 8,000 Tomatoes, 14-Brix Papaya

59:34 then you will remember. Ah... why do I have to hit you? Do you know why I hit you guys? Because I love you guys. It leaves you a memory. So when I hit, then you remember. You will have a permanent memory. Don't feel hurt that I hit you. So don't feel bad when I hit you. All right, let's move on to the next one. Look here, this one is still doing this, right now. So look at it, the fermentation is still working,

아... 이걸 왜 때려야 되냐? 추억이 남지. 때렸다고 섭섭하게 생각하지 마. 자, 그러면 다음으로 넘어갈게요. 여기 지금도 이거 이러고 있잖아.

1:00:22 going up and down, up and down. Up and down, up and down. But here's the thing: Is what's inside here dead, or alive? It's alive, because there are microbes in it. So you must not cover this with plastic wrap or anything like that. So this is alive, the microorganism is in there too. So you cannot use plastic. Then if it can't breathe, it dies. So if you use plastic, they cannot breathe, so they will die.

업앤다운, 업앤다운. 그런데 여기서 말이야, 여기 안에 있는 게 죽은 거예요? 산 거예요? 살아있어. 미생물이 있으니까. 그래서 이건 뚜껑을 비닐이나 이런 걸로 덮으면 안 돼. 그러면 호흡을 못하면 이게 죽어.

1:01:08 And this bottle, you see: if sunlight gets into it, that's not as good. So this is a clear bottle. When sun hits this bottle, that's not good. So this time in Korea we made a jar, a crock made only for Natural Farming use. Dr. Hoon Park is bringing materials over from Korea by container this time, so if you order jars here, they can come in the same container. He asked me to tell you as he left earlier (for Kona). So Dr. Park said... Master Cho said they made this ceramic jar for natural farming.

그리고 이 병이 말이지, 햇빛이 들어가면 덜 좋아. 그래서 이번에 한국에서 항아리를, 자연농업에만 쓸 수 있는 항아리를 따로 만들어 봤거든. 그 박훈 원장님이 이번에 한국에서 자재를 컨테이너로 실어 오니까, 여기서 항아리 신청하면 거기다 같이 실어 올 수 있겠다고, 아까 (코나에) 가시면서 얘기 좀 하라고 하시더라고요.

1:02:02 So Dr. Park said he's going to order some stuff. If you guys want... He cannot ship the ceramic jar from Korea, so if anybody wants those jars, please let us know. Since the machine is coming over this time, if the jars ride in the same container as the machine, they can come cheap. I don't know who is bringing the machine. This person is going to bring the machine. At the time we bring this ceramic jar together, the cost will be very inexpensive, the shipping cost.

그러면 요번에 기계를 가져오니까, 그 기계 가져오는 컨테이너에 같이 실어가지고 오면은 값도 싸게 가져올 수 있다.

1:02:49 To Oahu? But that's Then have to ship here. I think we all have to. To Hilo? Oh, so it will come to Hilo too. I guess Dr. Park ordered something. I'm not sure. Dr. Park maybe need to order part for the machine. But I don't know. I'm just assuming. But he talked to Dr. Park. But if you bring with that machine, If they're brought in that way, compared with buying them in Hawaiʻi... (rest unclear) You can buy a much inexpensive one here. The Korean jar is very expensive here.

힐로고요? 오, 이것도 힐로로 오겠네요. (같이) 해 오면 하와이에서 사는 것보다… (불분명)

1:03:39 So it will be cheaper than that. Isn't the machine from the University of Nations? Yeah. And it's got some rust or something. You've got to clean up on it. We don't know. We have no idea. It's a similar... I guess it's a new machine, but we don't know. That machine from the Han-... no, from the University of the Nations... I don't know exactly. So please do not ask. And what other machine is there? One that makes the water particles very fine,

그 한방… 아니, 열방대학교에서 온 그 기계를… 그리고 또 기계가 뭐가 있냐 그러면, 물의 입자를 아주 잘게 만들어 가지고,

1:04:29 and once it's made fine and you give it [to the crop], absorption gets faster. A machine like that is coming this time too. What I heard is, there is a machine that makes the water structure very, very small. If we use that water, the crop can absorb it really fast. It's a very simple machine, a battery about this big. It's a very small machine, about this big, and then you put it on the water jar, and then You take it and put it against the water [container]; there's water inside, right? ... It's very small.

잘게 만들어가지고 그걸 갖다 주게 되면 흡수가 빨라지게 됩니다. 그런 기계도 이번에 가져온다. 아주 간단한 기계인데, 요만한 밧데리야. 그걸 갖다가 물(통)에 대면, 그 안에 물이 있잖아. … 아주 작죠.

1:05:21 that machine will break down the water structure. Very, very small. to make it easier? I don't know. I have both. Anyway, What? What is the chain model? What? Oh, he says he has one too. Is that the Grand Deer? The Grand Deer. Is it the one for cancer? To absorb water easier, make the water molecule linear. Oh, this one is used for cancer patients. They say it makes the water fine like this? So that the water is absorbed well.

오, 이거는 아만자(암 환자)한테 쓰는 건데요. 이 물을 이렇게 잘게 만든다고요? 그래갖고 이게 물을 잘 흡수하게.

1:06:16 It makes the water clusters small, chelates it, chops it fine, they say. Oh, this one is chopping the water very small. And if you attach it to a car engine, your fuel cost drops by a third. ...engine, your car, you save one third of the gas. December 4, 5, 6, 7: at that time they'll go [to the committee chair?] and bring it back.

물의 클러스터를 작게 만들어가지고 킬레이트화한다는 걸, 잘게 쪼갠다고. 그런데 그걸 갖다가 자동차 엔진에다 붙여놓으면 기름값이 3분의 1이 줄어듭니다. 12월 4, 5, 6, 7(일), 그때 (전문위원장한테) 가서 그걸 가져온다고.

1:07:05 Oh, so I'm going to have another seminar in Korea in December, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th. At the time when they return, they're going to bring this machine over here. If you attach it to a refrigerator, the food in the refrigerator doesn't rot. So if you put that machine on your refrigerator, the food doesn't go rotten, it's always fresh. So at this December's study meeting in Korea, at that course, they'll bring back a sample. When I have an advanced seminar in Korea, they're going to bring the sample.

냉장고에 그걸 붙이면 냉장고에 있는 음식이 썩지 않아요. 그래서 이번에 한국에서 12월달에 하는 연찬회, 그 강습 때 샘플을 가져올 거예요.

1:08:01 Just information, don't take it too seriously. All right, let's keep going with this. So we're going to continue this one. That's grapes. This is grapes. This photo shows only half of one vine. This is one tree, and what you are seeing is only half of what that one tree produced. That one vine... (unclear) So this one grape tree has 3,600 grape bunches.

자, 그러면 이걸 계속해요. 이것은 포도야. 이게 한 나무를 반만 찍은 거야. 그 한 나무가… (불분명)

1:08:52 The grape tree has this grape. Maximum... ten thousand... 15,000 grapes. And the vine that bore the most, the record vine, had 15,000. How old is this? How old is this grape vine? Fifteen years. He's only 15 years old. And this vine's trunk is 50 cm in diameter.

그래서 지금 이게 아주 많이 달린 나무, 기록적인 나무는 15,000개. 이 포도나무가 몇 살이에요? 15살. 그래서 이 포도나무 기둥 지름이 50cm예요.

1:09:39 The trunk is 50 centimeters. In 15 years? Yes, 15 years. Around? Yeah, around. So if CGNF Hawaiʻi made one of these, company people or sports groups could come and hold their group retreats (MT) here, and with the vineyard hanging heavy with grapes... So CGNF Hawaii develop something like that, and then bring the people. Have a 'MT'? No. Luncheon. Have a luncheon. This is the ability of a grape tree.

그래서 이걸 갖다가 CGNF 하와이가 이거 하나 만들어서, 회사 사람들이나 운동 단체가 와서 여기서 MT(수련회)를 하고, 그걸 해가지고서 포도밭에 주렁주렁 열리면은…

1:10:25 Isn't this a tree that can bear this much? This is the grape's ability. That's their ability. But then people threaten it and knock it about, so this tree... So the tree has this ability, but then people scream at them and then They are scaring them, that's why a tree doesn't do well.

이렇게 많이 열릴 수도 있는 나무 아니니? 이게 포도의 능력이오. 거기다 협박을 하고 (공을 맞추고) 그러니까 이 나무가…

1:11:11 You have to use love. If you have this grape tree in Kohala, it's going to be a great tour area. So he did one time, he grow tomato from spring to fall. In one plant he produce 8,000 tomatoes. I planted a tomato in spring and picked from that one plant until fall, and my record from it was 8,000. But the world record is 15,000. But there is a record in the world, 15,000 tomatoes.

내가 토마토를 심어가지고, 봄에 심어서 가을까지 따 먹었던 한 나무에서 내가 기록으로 낸 건 8,000개야. 그런데 세계 기록은 15,000개예요.

1:12:06 And they taste so good. You can make tomatoes like that. You can make a delicious tomato. And the tomato plant I grew that way: its diameter was 70 cm. Wait, the tomato's stalk? A tree trunk... not a tree trunk, the tomato's... the base? That's 70? So that tomato plant at the bottom of the stalk is 70 centimeters.

하도 맛도 좋고, 그런 토마토를 만들 수가 있어요. 그래서 그렇게 만든 그 토마토 나무의 지름, 직경이 70cm야. 아니, 토마토 기둥 있잖아요. 나무 기둥… 나무 기둥이 아니라 토마토의… 밑동? 그게 70(센티)?

1:12:51 At the bottom. Seven zero. Centimeter. 70 centimeters is how many inches? So you don't know how much ability a crop has. So you cannot imagine their ability of the crops. So to draw out all the ability a crop has, you have to do it properly. So if you want to bring out their ability, crops ability, you need to follow this right

그러니까 작물이 가진 능력이 얼마인지 몰라요. 그래서 그 작물이 가지는 능력을 다 끌어내려면 제대로 해야 돼요.

1:13:38 way of living. So next time when I come back, I will tell you more detail about this. So when I come next time, [I'll go through each field] very concretely... because at least I can lay it all out in detail. I can analyze each one with more detail. This is the papaya of [name unclear] in Hilo... This is the Ginger John's papaya in Hilo.

그래서 다음에 오게 되면은, (각 밭) 정도에 대해서 아주 구체적으로… 적어도 전부 다 자세하게 풀어낼 수가 있으니까. 이게 그 힐로의 (이름 불분명) 파파야…

1:14:23 Normally a papaya like this only bears a little, right at the top. Usually only on top there is fruit. But this one got like this just from spreading IMO4 on the ground. But this one, [Ginger John] only put the IMO4 on the ground. He didn't use any other and it grew like this. Seeing this, they did the same in Taiwan, and in Taiwan it bore this much too. So in Taiwan, people came, looked at Ginger John's papaya, so when he went back, they did the same thing, they had the same result.

그런데 보통 파파야가 이렇게 되면 이 꼭대기만 조금 열리거든. 그런데 이것은 토착미생물 4번을 바닥에 뿌린 것만 가지고 이렇게 된 거예요. 그래서 이걸 보고서 대만에서 그대로 했는데, 대만도 이만큼 열렸어.

1:15:08 So if you plant this next to a coffee farm and get it looking like this, it'll become a tourist spot. So, Carol has a coffee farm. Even at the coffee farm, next to coffee, you grow this papaya and you will attract lots of tourists. But if the papaya's sugar is low, the papaya is worth nothing. So, but then, the papaya has to have a high sugar content. If you don't, it doesn't taste good at all. So papaya should reach 14 brix. So sweetness of a papaya at least is 14

그래서 커피밭 옆에다가 이걸 심어가지고, 이것까지 이렇게 만들어 놓으면 관광지가 될 거라고. 그런데 이 파파야의 당도가 낮으면 파파야 값이 없어. 그래서 이 파파야의 당도가 14브릭스는 나와야 돼요.

1:16:00 brix. But the papaya in Hawaii, the serving is not even seven brix. But the papaya coming out here now doesn't even reach 7 brix. But they, some papaya coming out to the store only four brix, but then to eat, at least Some of what goes to market now is only 4 brix, but it has to pass 7 brix to taste good. able to eat, has to reach seven. So if you mix ocean water with water-soluble calcium and water-soluble calcium phosphate, But if you mix about [one measure? unclear] of this here into it and give it, [it goes up] 2 to 3...

그런데 지금 여기 나오는 파파야는 7브릭스도 안 돼. 지금 어떤 건 4브릭스 나오는 것도 시장에 나오지만, 7브릭스를 넘어야 맛이 있는 거예요. 그런데 여기 이거에다가 (한 잔?) 정도를 갖다 섞어서 주면, 2 내지 3…

1:17:00 the sweetness will go up to 2 to 3 percent. So for you, bananas, papayas, mangoes: give this to them and the sugar goes up and the aroma goes up. So all the fruit crops, if you use this input, ocean water, and then [unclear], their sweetness all goes up. So, since you attended this seminar this year, next year papaya, banana, mango: if you don't farm them to the best quality in Hawaiʻi, you each get a whack from me. So, I give you this information, if you cannot produce delicious papaya and banana and delicious

그러니까 여러분들 기준으로는 바나나나 파파야나 망고나, 이런 거에다가 이걸 주게 되면 당도도 올라가고 향도 올라가. 그러면 금년에 이 세미나 참석을 했으니까, 내년도에 파파야라, 바나나라, 망고라, 하와이 내에서 최고의 질로 만드는 농사를 짓지 않으면 나한테 한 대씩 (몽둥이) 맞아.

1:18:01 fruit next year. If you cannot produce, I'm going to come and beat you up. Hallelujah! Next, this is longan. This is longan.

할렐루야! 다음은 이게 롱간이에요. 이건 롱간이에요.

1:18:47 This is Thailand. The owner of this [farm]... said it doesn't bear fruit, [that he'd cut them all down]... When he went to Thailand, and the owner of this farm, because this longan tree doesn't fruit at all, so the owner said to him, I'm gonna cut all these trees down. So I said, don't cut them down, I'll give you a Natural Farming prescription, try it. He asked how, so I made this for him right there. So he told him, do not cut the tree, I give you recipe of natural farming. So he made these inputs for him.

이것이 태국인데, 이것이 타일랜드. 이 (농장) 주인이… 안 열린다고, (다 베어 버린다고)… 그런데 내가 베어 버리지 말고 자연농업으로 처방을 해 줄 테니까 해 봐라 그랬더니, 어떻게 하는 거냐. 그래서 거기서 이걸 만들어 줬다고.

1:19:35 But there was no OHN (한방영양제) there at the time, so into beer the high-proof soju kind of thing, what do you call it? Vodka? Vodka, vodka. Beer added to vodka, mixed together, but that alone isn't enough, so mango, (unclear), banana, coconut juice, that and mango juice went in, mixed with the vodka and beer, and all of it was given together. To this tree.

그런데 그때는 거기에 한방영양제가 없었으니까, 그래서 맥주에다가 도수가 높은 소주 같은 거, 그걸 뭐라고 하지? 보드카? 보드카, 보드카. 보드카에 맥주를 넣어서 같이 섞어가지고, 근데 그것만 넣으면 안 되니까 망고에, (불분명), 바나나, 코코넛 주스, 그거하고 망고 주스, 그걸 넣어가지고 보드카하고 맥주하고 섞어서 같이 넣어 준 거예요. 여기다가.

1:20:20 So you didn't make fermented plant juice (천혜녹즙)? Just juice? No, because making that takes time. So they don't have oriental herbal nutrient, because it takes long time to make. So he used beer and vodka, mango juice and coconut juice, and mixed all together with this input. And that's how he gave the nutrient. He did the nutrient. Oh, but he did ferment. Done that way, it bore fruit like this that same year.

그러니까 천혜녹즙 안 만들고요? 그냥 주스로만? 아니, 그러니까 그걸 만드는 시간이 걸리잖아요. 그렇게 했을 때 당년에 이렇게 열린 거예요.

1:21:08 So after one week fermentation, and mix all this and give to the longan tree, in that year they produce this fruit. That was just beer with vodka in it. That was a makeshift trick. Here, don't do that: if you make OHN it's far more powerful. But the OHN has way more power. So don't do that way, what I just said. Do not use that. Use OHN. Sir, someone has a question. In Hawaii, they use a firecracker powder around the tree, but they have it commercially produced.

이건 맥주에다가 보드카 넣은 거예요. 그 뭐야, 그건 잔재주 부린 거니까, 여기서는 그러지 말고 한방영양제를 만들었으면 훨씬 더 힘이 세진다고. 원장님, (한 분이) 질문을 하셨네요.

1:22:02 We put that chemical around the tree one month later. Here in Hawaiʻi, to make them set fruit, you know fireworks? They pile that in a ring next to the tree and set it off, they say. Then the fruit comes like this. So that's why they do like three rows. Three rows, two months later, three rows... so they have Oh, three trees.

그때 여기 하와이에서는요, 열매 맺게 하려면, 불꽃(폭죽) 있잖아요, 그거를 나무 옆에다가 이렇게 동그랗게 쌓아 놓고 그거를 터트린대요. 그러면 이렇게 열매가 생긴대요. 오, 나무 세 개.

1:22:49 Every three rows they set off the powder, [they say]. That's... you know those little things, like a battery... (unclear) When you set it off, it heaves up, right? So air gets in. That's how they stimulate the tree and make it bear. So when the dirt has an excitation, lots of oxygen

세 고랑마다 그 화약을 터뜨린다(고요). 그게 저희 그… 이런 조그만 거, 밧데리 있잖아. … 그걸 그냥 터뜨리면 그게 일어나잖아. 그래서 공기가 들어가는 거예요. 그렇게 해서 나무에 활성을 시켜서 열리게 하는 거거든.

1:23:36 goes into the root, and that's how it started to fruit. What else is it like? Someone is sleeping, dozing, and you whack them [on the back] and they wake up. Same thing. This is just like when people sleep, falling asleep, and he goes and whacks their back, and they wake up. It's the same theory. like that, yeah? That is not natural. So that is not natural way. It's no different from giving that person a big fright. That is just like make the person just a big shock.

또 뭐냐 그러면, 잠자고 졸고 있는데 (등짝을) 때리면 깨잖아. 그거랑 마찬가지. 그건 자연적인 게 아니에요. 그 사람을 한 번 되게 놀라게 한 거나 마찬가지 아니요.

1:24:22 Yeah, that is not natural. Don't do that. You can make this happen by regulating nutrition. So don't do that way, use their nutrient cycle and make that fruit. Oh, that's India, and that's their chili pepper. This is India. Indian chili peppers look like this. But with the same seed, just adding IMO here... So they used it on the big plant; they only used IMO4, and they grew so much bigger than the one they did not use. ...and when it was set up that way, this is what happened.

그렇지 말고, 영양의 조절에 의해서 이렇게 만들 수 있다. 이것이 인도인데, 인도의 고추가 이런 거예요. 그런데 이 같은 종자에 여기다 토착미생물만 넣어가지고 조성을 해놨더니 이렇게 된 거예요.

1:25:13 So when they sprayed that IMO, roots came down like this from a dying tree. Oh, this is a dying tree, and then they put the IMO4 and this new root is starting to grow like this. So when your practice doesn't do well, do not blame other people, because you didn't know. So when the crop does badly, don't blame anyone else. Turn the blame on yourself: you applied it without knowing. So do not blame other people. Next. This is banana. Here in Hawaii, when you look at bananas, they usually bear 4 or 5 hands, right?

그래서 그 IMO를 갖다 뿌려줬더니 죽어가는 나무에서 뿌리가 이렇게 내린 거예요. 그러니까 작물이 잘 안 되는 걸 갖다가 누구 탓을 하지 말고 내 탓으로 돌려야 돼. 내가 모르고 뿌리니까. 이게 바나나야. 여기서 하와이에서 바나나 보면은 대개 4단, 5단 열리잖아.

1:26:01 Usually, normally, banana has only five hands. But this one has 13, 14 hands. You see, this one has 13, 14 hands. That's in India, they produce that. But now in Hawaii and Taiwan, bananas and papayas get disease, so they put up nets. So sometimes in Taiwan and Hawaii, because papaya and banana have diseases, they cover the whole tree with a net.

그런데 이건 13단, 14단이야. 그런데 지금 하와이나 대만에 보면 바나나하고 파파야에 병이 걸려가지고 망을 세우지.

1:26:47 Even if they put this net, still disease comes. But they say even the ones inside the net get the disease. But if you spray IMO4 there, then with that the disease does not occur. So put the microorganism on the ground, then the disease won't come. Just use IMO4. So don't doubt it. Let's just try it. Just do it. Eo! Yes. This is taro, taro. This is taro.

그런데 그 망 안에 있는 것도 병이 걸린대요. 그런데 거기에서 토착미생물 4번을 뿌리게 되면 그걸로 해서 하면 병이 안 생겨요. 그러니까 의심하지 말고 해보자고. 네. 이게 타로예요, 타로. This is taro.

1:27:34 This is in Honolulu, David Wong's farm. This is at, in Hilo, no, Honolulu: David Wong's farm. And this was planted with only IMO4 applied, and it came out this well. Yeah, also him, he only used IMO4 put on that field and grew taro like this. This man is 1 m 80 tall. So this person's height is 1 meter 80 centimeters. And going in here, what is this? He has gone in under the leaves. It's a jungle, a jungle.

이게 저 힐로의, 아니 호놀룰루의 데이비드 웡 농장이에요. 그런데 이게 토착미생물 4번만 뿌려서 심은 건데 이렇게 잘 된 거야. 이 사람의 키가 1m 80이야. 그런데 여기 들어가서 이게 뭐예요? 이파리 안에 들어왔잖아요. 이게 정글, 정글.

1:28:26 So this is the taro, David Wong's taro field. So this is a jungle, taro jungle. And they say Hawaii now brings in 95% of its food from the mainland. And the first time Hawaii exported its own farm produce to the mainland, it was this very taro. This is the first taro exported to other state. So if Hawaii's wide land is used properly, not only food self-sufficiency, you can even produce crops to export to the mainland.

그런데 지금 하와이에 식량을 95%를 본토에서 갖다 먹는다고. 그런데 하와이가 처음으로 하와이 농산물을 본토로 수출한 게 바로 이 타로야. 하와이의 넓은 땅을 제대로 활용하면 식량 자급은 물론이지만 본토로 수출하는 농산물까지도 만들 수 있다고.

1:29:12 If you do it, farming, right way, you can have a self-sustain with the food. Not only that you can export food to other places. If you do it correct way. Eo! Next. [Audio unclear] This is a Korean agricultural technology center ... there will be one like it in Hawaii ... [Unclear] ... an agricultural extension office.

[불명확] … 한국의 농업기술센터 … 하와이 … [불명확] 농업지도소 …

1:29:59 So, CTAHR, like an ag research center. This is Korea. You guys have an ag research center in Hawaii also, right? And there, microbes were being imported from countries all around. From America, from Japan. So many microbes were imported that a competition started. This picture? No. Since the competition got going like that, the Gokseong Agricultural Technology Center said: then let's make Korea's Natural Farming microbes compete with the microbes coming from abroad.

그런데 거기에서 미생물이 사방 나라에서 수입이 되어왔어. 미국서도 오고 일본서도 오고. 그 미생물이 많이 수입이 돼가지고 경쟁이 붙은 거예요. 이 사진이요? 아니. 그렇게 경쟁이 붙으니까는 곡성 농업기술센터가 그러면 한국의 자연농업 미생물하고 외국에서 오는 미생물 경쟁을 시켜보자.

1:30:44 So to Natural Farming they gave a very bad field, one that had suffered three years of continuous-cropping injury. The others they gave good fields. The importers were thinking they would profit from importing microbes. I said fine, let's do it that way. I took the worst field, one with three years of continuous-cropping injury. So in Korea they started to bring all these different microbes from different countries. They want to compete these microbes Master Cho cultivated and microbes from the other place.

그래가지고 이 자연농업은 3년 동안 연작장애가 일어난 아주 나쁜 밭을 줬어. 딴 데는 좋은 밭을 줬어. 그래가지고 수입업자들이 미생물 수입에서 덕을 보려고 생각한 건데 괜찮다, 그러면 다 그렇게 하자. 가장 나쁜, 3년 동안 연작장애 일어난 밭을 내가 받은 거예요.

1:31:29 They have this nice healthy plot, and they give him the plot that has three years monocrop. So it's a very bad plot. That's going to test. They want to find out, to make a fight with the foreign microbes and the microbes he's cultivating. OK. But the microbe importers, wanting to sell theirs, could not sell because of the indigenous microbes.

그런데 미생물 수입업자들이 팔아먹으려고 해도 토착미생물 때문에 팔지 못하고 있는 거예요.

1:32:16 So they gave the center money and had it run the trial. A businessman wanted to make money with a foreign microorganism, so they want to all show off, so they are studying this project, but they give him a very bad plot. They gave us the field with three years of continuous-cropping injury, and that worst land gave the biggest harvest. So the plot that he got was a three year monocrop plot but the result is that he had most crop

거기다 센터에다 돈을 주고 경연을 시킨 거예요. 그런데 그 3년 연작장애 일어난 밭을 우리한테 줬는데 그 제일 나쁜 땅에서 수확이 제일 많이 난 거예요.

1:33:01 harvest from that bad land, with a natural farming way. [Unclear: possibly a figure for the yield against the average] So that research center realized, Oh, indigenous microbes are so strong. Yes, so they acknowledge his method. And after that, what happened? The government research agency, The Rural Development Administration put it in the newspaper saying they had done it themselves. The government was so corrupt. They put up this information; they scratched his name and put

[불명확] 자연… 평균 … 배… 그러고 난 다음에 무슨 일이 벌어졌냐 그러면 정부 연구기관 진흥청. 진흥청 자기들이 했다고 이걸 신문에 낸 거예요.

1:33:48 their research center did that. I was really hurt. He was really sad and disappointed. If you don't, in Bible, if you don't against it, then you are same group. But what does the Bible say? 'Whoever does not hinder you is your co-worker.' There is a word like that in the Bible. Co-workers: people who work with you, who are on your side. If they don't oppose you... Oh, because anyway, even they said, There is a word like that. The RDA put it out as their own work.

정말 섭섭했어. 그런데 성경에 무슨 말씀이 있어요? 방해하지 않으면 동역자다. 그런 말씀이 성경에 있다고. 동역자는 같이 일하는, 찬성하는 사람들이다. 반대하지 않으면 그런 말씀이 있거든요. 그 진흥청에서 이걸 자기들이 했다고 낸 거니까요.

1:34:35 Still, it gets publicized. Since it's publicized, many farmers will benefit, won't they? So, since they count as co-workers, I took them as people who favor Natural Farming and left it alone. the government said they did it, but then you are actually informing the public that this natural farming is working. So even if they didn't acknowledge his name, he go along with it.

일단 선전은 되잖아. 선전 되니까 많은 농민들이 혜택을 볼 것 아니야. 그래서 [방해하지 않으면] 동역자이기 때문에 자연농업을 찬성하는 사람들이라고 알고 가만 놔둔 거야.

1:35:20 You have now come into that kind of environment too. So when you have those situations, [...] It could easily happen in Hawaii too. The University of Hawaii or places like that will write papers on the work you do and get their doctorates from it. It could happen here too. Even you did all the work, the university or scientist said, I did the work. I would speak the truth. I would have my wife call. Yes! Since he lied like that, his wife must be quite something.

여러분은 그런 환경에 지금 와 있어요. […] 충분히 하와이에서도 일어날 수 있어. 여러분들이 일하는 것을 하와이 대학이나 이런 데에서 논문 써서 자기들이 박사 학위 받을 테니까. 그렇게 거짓말 했으니까 부인이 좀 대단하셔야겠다.

1:36:07 Why did you call your wife? Because she protects me. Oh, your wife always protects you. He says his wife always protects him. So he would have his wife call the university. Oh, he loves you! [Partly unclear] Do you bow to your wife every day? Do you always bow to your wife?

자기 부인이 자기를 항상 보호한대요. 그래서 부인 보고 대학교에 전화하라고. 매일같이 마누라한테 절해?

1:36:59 Sometimes.