Living Liquid, Not Enzyme: Collect at Dawn, Face South

2:27:24 Now, when you make your materials, there are people who call this stuff an enzyme. What we make as Natural Farming materials is not an enzyme. It's a fermented liquid. So, lots of people say that enzyme, when we make this stuff, but it is not enzyme, it's a fermented liquid. So like an enzyme is like a chemical substance.

그래서 여러분이 자재를 만들 때 이걸 갖다가 효소라고 얘기하는 사람들이 있거든요. 우리가 자연농업 자재로 만드는 건 효소가 아니야. 발효액이야.

2:28:14 But fermented liquid is a living thing. So fermented liquid is a living substance. So enzyme and fermented liquid are completely different things. So the enzyme and the fermented liquid is totally different one. There's a story about this. A university professor came to pick a fight with me over it. There is a funny story, the university professor came to him to argue with him about this.

그런데 발효액은 생명체야. 그래서 효소하고 발효액은 전혀 다른 거야. 무슨 얘기가 하나 있는데, 이걸 가지고 대학교 교수가 나한테 시비를 걸러 왔어.

2:29:00 He asked why it isn't an enzyme. So I told him: what made it? Was it made from water, made from chemicals, or made by microorganisms? Did microorganisms make it? He said microorganisms made it. Then it's a living thing, so why call it an enzyme? When I said that, the professor went red in the face and ran off. So this is made with fermented liquid, not enzyme. So this one has a life, that fermented liquid. So he explained to the professor, and he was so embarrassed, his face was turned red and went away.

그래서 어째서 효소가 아니냐. 그래서 얘기를 했지. 그거 만들어진 게 물로 만들어졌냐, 화학물질로 만들어졌냐, 미생물이 만들었냐. 미생물이 만들었냐. 그래서 미생물이 만들었대. 그러면 생명체지 왜 효소냐. 내가 그렇게 얘기했더니 그 교수가 얼굴이 빨개져가지고 도망갔다고.

2:29:46 So, when microorganism is living, The substance that microorganisms make out of this, that is the enzyme. As long as the microorganisms are alive, it is a living thing. that's a micro, I mean, liquid fermentation, liquid fermentation, the enzyme is just a microorganism. So when it turned into fermentation liquid,

이것에서 미생물이 만들어낸 그 물질이 효소지. 미생물이 살아있는 동안은 생명체야.

2:30:33 it became a living thing, real living thing. In the Gospel of Luke, as Jesus went along, a great crowd gathered to hear his words, right? In the Bible, lots of people follow Jesus Christ to listen to his speech. Then the sun was going down, and those people had to be fed something, right? Jesus told his disciples, 'Feed these people bread.' So, you know, around the dinner time, the people has to eat, so Jesus Christ said,

그 누가복음에 예수님이 이렇게 가시니까, 말씀을 들어보려고 많은 사람들이 몰려왔잖아. 그런데 해가 저물어 가니까 이제 그 사람들을 뭘 먹여야 될 거 아니야? 예수님이 제자보고 이 사람들을 빵을 먹여라 그랬잖아.

2:31:19 feed them with bread. But where would that much bread come from? So where all these lots of bread came from? So the disciples, not thinking of Jesus's power and only doing their own arithmetic, said there was no way. His disciples didn't recognize Jesus Christ's ability. He told Jesus Christ that cannot be available those lots of bread right now. One disciple came and said a little boy here has some barley loaves and two fish. So they brought those. So the other disciples brought this barley bread.

그런데 그런 많은 빵이 어디서 나와? 그러니까 제자는 예수님의 능력을 생각하지 않고 자기 계산만 따져가지고 … 수가 없습니다. 어떤 제자가 와서, 여기 어린아이가 보리떡 … 개와 생선 두 마리를 가지고 있다고. 그래서 그걸 가져왔어.

2:32:16 A little boy brought two barley bread and two fish. Five bread, two fish. Then Jesus said: have them all sit down, on the grass. So everybody sit on their grass. That's what Jesus Christ said. Then he took the five barley loaves and the two fish and gave thanks over them. So he blessed them, prayed, looking up the sky with the five bread and two fish. He prayed. 'Share it out and feed them.' They tore it all up and fed everyone, and after all had eaten there was still some left.

파이브 브레드, 투 피시. 그랬더니 예수님께서 … 다 앉혀라. 잔디 위에. 그런데 그 보리떡 다섯 개하고 생선 두 마리를 … 축사하셨어. 나눠서 먹여라. 그런데 그걸 갖다가 전부 다 뜯어서 먹였는데도 다 먹고 남았잖아.

2:33:05 So he started to take a piece of the bread and feed the people. The leftovers they gathered up filled twelve baskets. And he fed all those people who still had leftover. So, he said, leftover he collected there's a twelve kingdom. Basket. I don't understand his words sometimes. Sorry. In the same way, all around you as you farm, God's great power is always there. So when you are farming, the God's power is always with you, around you, always with you.

나머지를 주워 담은 게 열두 광주리가 있잖아. 마찬가지로 여러분이 농사짓는 주변에는 하나님의 그 크신 권능이 항상 …

2:33:56 So with one lump of indigenous microorganisms about this big, you can make enough microorganisms for about 6,000 pyeong. So even if you have a little bit of microorganism, you can inoculate and then 6,000 acres you can spread this microorganism. 5 acres. Oh, 5 acres. So these 5 acres of the microorganism you can spread. So five thousand were fed and there was food left over; Jesus poured out his power and was with them. And if we carry God's great power on our backs and give with love, So, with a little piece of bread, he fed 5,000 people.

그래서 토착미생물 요만한 거 한 덩어리 가지고서 6천 평 정도의 미생물을 만들어낼 수가 있지 않아. 그러니까 5천 명을 먹이고 남았다고 … 예수님께서 능력을 베풀어 함께 하셨잖아. 그리고 우리들이 하나님의 그 크신 능력을 등에 업고 사랑으로 베풀면은

2:34:39 we can bring the land that is dying right now all back to life. If you put God's power, put on your back, and we can change the whole universe. That is the tremendous power of God's love. That is the God's ability of the power of His love.

지금 죽어가는 땅을 갖다가 다 살려낼 수가 있다고. 그것이 하나님의 사랑의 엄청난 능력이라고.

2:35:29 Our farming is not done with technique. It is done with love that gives. You'll all have had this experience. Married life comes with marital fights, doesn't it? So you have only experience, but you all have a husband and wife, After a fight between husband and wife, sometimes you fight each other. So after you fight each other and then making food and put on that table, is that not tasty or not? is the dinner you put on the table tasty or not?

우리가 농사짓는 것이 기술로 짓는 게 아니라 베푸는 사랑으로 농사를 짓는 거라고. … 여러분들의 경험이 있었을 거예요. 가정생활은 부부싸움으로 하잖아요. 부부싸움 하고 난 다음에 저녁 밥상 차린 건 맛이 있어 없어?

2:36:24 Why is it not tasty? Because you fought, poison formed in your body. You know why it's not tasty? Because when you fight, the poison comes out from your body. That's why poison goes into your food, that's why food taste not good. The poison comes out; the food should be tasty, but the poison gets into the food and it tastes bad. And when you make your farming materials, if you make them after a fight, angry, will the crop come out right when you use them? That's what I'm saying.

… 싸움을 하기 때문에 몸에서 독이 생긴 거야. 독이 나와서, 음식이 맛있어야 되는데 독물질이 음식에 들어가서 맛이 없는 거예요. 그리고 여러분들이 농사짓는 농사자재를 만들 때 싸움하고 화가 나서 만들면 그 자재 썼을 때 작물이 제대로 되겠느냐 그 말이에요.

2:36:56 So when you make your input or solution, when you fight and then with those anger, when you make those inputs, it's not going to work on your crops. So when we do Natural Farming, we give with love, and only when every living thing is happy does the farming go well. So when you work with a farm, you must use your love and give love to crop and then your farming will be successful. So when Jesus gave thanks over five barley loaves and two fish, the power of that love

그래서 우리가 자연농업을 할 때는 사랑으로 베풀어가지고서 모든 생명체가 다 즐거워야 농사가 잘 되는 거예요. 그래서 예수님이 보리떡 다섯 개하고 생선 두 마리를 가지고 축사하실 때 그 사랑의 능력이

2:37:48 went into the five loaves and two fish and made them multiply, so they fed a multitude and still had some left. Because of the ability of Jesus' love, that big love, able to feed all those people, because it has just expanded. Have you ever thought of it that way? Anyone tried it? Have you ever thought that way? For a person like that, even with only a little rice in the jar, in the rice bowl, the rice never runs out. The person who think that way, even in the jar you have a very little rice, the rice always remain there. It never disappear.

그 떡 다섯 덩어리하고 물고기 두 마리에 들어가가지고 불어나서 많은 사람을 먹이고도 남은 거라고요. 그렇게 생각해 보셨어요? 해 본 사람 있어요? 그런 사람은 그 항아리에, 쌀 그릇에 쌀이 조금만 있어도 쌀이 떨어지지 않는 거야.

2:38:43 That is like a... It's the same as the widow's jar of oil. There is a little oil jar, the one who lives without husband. She kept pouring it into vessels and it kept on coming. and you pour the oil in the other jar, the oil keep came out. That is the Creator's power. Then we said about creators power and ability. So our making Natural Farming materials is the water turning into wine at the wedding house in Cana,

그게 과부집의 기름 항아리하고 마찬가지지. 계속 병에다 따르고 따라도 계속 나왔잖아. 그게 창조주의 능력이요. 그러니까 우리가 자연농업 자재를 만드는 것은 가나 혼인집에 물이 변해서 포도주가 되는 거고,

2:39:32 and the Creator gives so much that five thousand people eat their fill with food left over. He gives it to farmers. So this natural farming is like a story of the Cana wedding, there's an abundance of wine, and then all this bread became abundance, the same thing. But people became far too greedy, and to fill their greed they That's the natural farming. So because of the people's greed, they treat the... overworked the crops. They made them work far too hard.

그 5천 명의 많은 사람들이 배불리 먹고 남을 정도로 창조주께서는 베풀어 주는 거예요. 농민들에게. 그런데 이게 사람들의 욕심이 너무 많이 생겨가지고 욕심을 채우기 위해서 작물을 혹사시킨 거예요. 너무 지나치게 일을 시킨 거라고.

2:40:22 Torture. Yeah, torture them. So when I worked out how to make each of these materials, one by one, I didn't make them because I'm clever. God gives me revelations. When he does, I write them down right there; I write in my dreams. I write it down, try it, and it works. When he sleeps, he sees the vision of all these... And then he writes it down, and then he tries it. Became so successful. Yeah, that's how we got all these solutions. So he wrote the book and that book is best seller in Japan.

그래서 내가 이제 그 자재를 만드는 걸 하나하나 생각해서 만들 때, 내가 잘나서 만든 게 아니라 하나님이 나에게 계시를 주셔. 계시를 주시면 내가 옆에서 막 적어. 꿈속에 적는 거예요. 적어가지고 그걸 가지고 해보면 잘 된 거예요.

2:41:08 The book I wrote that way is not a best seller in Japan but a steady seller. The book's title is 'Let's Bring Indigenous Microorganisms Back to Life.' Then that book's title is, that's a revival of indigenous microorganism. So now university professors, the agriculture professors, and people doing social work almost all have it. So all the university who is involved with the Ag professor or business with Ag,

그렇게 해서 쓴 책이 일본에서 베스트셀러가 아니라 스테디셀러입니다. 그 책 이름이 뭐냐 그러면 '토착미생물을 살리자'. 그래서 지금 대학교 교수들이, 농업 관계 대학교 교수들이나 사회사업 하는 분들이 거의 다 가지고 있어요.

2:42:07 All those people has that book. So when you make Natural Farming materials, what matters is not which kind you use; what matters most is knowing when the plant takes in the most of nature's power, and collecting it then. So the best material when you are collecting is, you have to know the best, the plant has the best power of the... I don't know how to express it. Energy. You have to recognize this plant has the best energy. Then you collect that time and make the input.

그래서 여러분들이 자연농업 자재를 만들 때 어떤 종류가 중요한 게 아니고, 자연의 힘을 제일 많이 받아들일 때가 언제냐, 그것들을 알아가지고 채취하는 게 가장 중요한 겁니다.

2:42:56 Mothers make kimchi from vegetables, make side dishes. Compare cabbage pulled in the morning with cabbage pulled in the evening, see which one tastes better, and you'll know. So when we make kimchi, there is a taste difference. The one that we harvest in the morning, the one that we harvest in the afternoon, the one you harvest in the morning, make kimchi, it tastes much better. You should pick papaya, banana or mango in the morning to make your materials. [unclear] ...that's when they are strongest.

엄마들이 채소를 가지고 김치를 담가서 먹잖아. 반찬 만들잖아. 그것이 아침에 뽑은 배추하고 저녁에 뽑은 배추하고, 어떤 배추가 맛있냐를 보면 알아. 아침에 파파야, 바나나나 망고를 따서 자재를 만들어야 합니다. … 정력이 센 거예요.

2:43:40 So when you make an import, always harvest before sun comes up, when dawn time, collect all those banana, papaya, all those mature, you pick early early in the morning. He came here and had the same class seven times, but this information I give you the first time here. I've come to Hawaii [several times], but this is the first time I'm telling this. Why? Because you have to say it when there are ears ready to hear; only then is it taken in. Because the reason that I am doing it, the student is ready to learn and then ready

이 얘기는 하와이에 … 와서 … 처음 하는 거예요. 왜 그러냐 그러면, 들을 귀가 있을 때 말을 해야 받아들인다고.

2:44:27 What did Jesus say? 'He who has ears, let him hear.' to listen, then that information goes into your ear. So Jesus said, who has a ear, they will listen. So when you collect indigenous microorganisms in Hawaii too, on the side facing east, where the sun comes in earliest... ...a place facing south where the sunlight comes in first of all. Collect indigenous microorganisms there and you get very strong ones.

예수님은 뭐라고 말씀하셨죠? 귀 있는 자는 들을지어다. 그래서 이제 하와이에서 토착미생물을 채취할 때도, 동쪽을 바라보고 있는 쪽에서 가장 해가 일찍 들어오는 … 남쪽을 바라보는 장소에 가장 햇빛이 제일 먼저 들어오는 곳, 거기서 토착미생물을 채취하면 아주 힘이 센 것을 채취하잖아요.

2:45:17 If you want to collect a very powerful microorganism, the sun hits on that part of the south. That's the most powerful microorganism. Do you understand? And then... In sunlight there is far-infrared. Ultraviolet. In the sunlight is ultraviolet.

태양광선에는 원적외선이 있어.

2:46:08 This is far-infrared. Within far-infrared, the part that acts on crops and makes them grow is the growth ray. If there is in the ultraviolet, there is one light that will help the plant grow, like a life and grow? Oh nice. Yes. Help them to grow. Yeah. There is this [growth] ray... [unclear] Growing force. Grow stimulator.

이 원적외선인데, 원적외선 중에서 작물에게 영향을 미쳐 자라게 하는 것이 생육광선이야. 이 … 광선이 있는데, … 여기 올라왔다고 하셨는데,

2:46:53 Grow stimulator in one of the red lights. You all plant seeds. Any seed: when you plant it, the sprout bursts out. Which way is its head facing? So when you plant the seed, when they come out and the baby leaves, you have to observe which side or which direction they are looking at. You need to observe that. Where do they look? That would be someone who farms carelessly. That is just a mediocre farmer's answer.

그 여러분들이 아는 … 씨를 심잖아. 모든 종자, 종자를 심을 때 싹이 터져 나오는데 그 대가리가 어디를 바라보고 있느냐. 그게 대충 농사짓는 사람일 수도 있겠네요.

2:47:44 If you had looked at it with real love, like your own baby, you'd know exactly which way its head is looking. If you love your plant like your own child, you know his little baby plant, which direction You didn't see it because you didn't look at it the way you look at your own child. they are looking at. Because you don't love that plant like your own child, because that's why you don't know which side they are looking at. When it lifts up and rises, which way is the head? It's facing south. They usually, when they come out, they always look the south direction.

아주 사랑으로 자기 애기를 바라봤다 그러면은 그 대가리가 어디를 쳐다보는지 다 알 거야. 자식 바라보듯 안 해서 안 보인 거야. 그 떡잎이 들고 일어나서 대가리가 어느 쪽이냐면, 지금 남쪽을 바라보고 있어.

2:48:30 Why south? South is where it can see sunlight all day long. Because they are looking at the sun, that sun sun sun you can have a sun all day long, that's why. So they are looking at the south side and they are looking at the south side to get the new light. So it faces south, due south. It comes up facing south precisely to receive the growth ray. Because that light, those growth of light, it helps them to grow on the south side. That's why they are always looking at the south.

그 남쪽을 바라보는 게 뭐냐 하면 하루 종일 햇빛을 볼 수 있는 곳이야. 그래서 남쪽, 정남쪽을 바라보고서. 바로 이것이 생육광선을 받기 위해서 나와서 남쪽을 보고 있는 것입니다.

2:49:17 I think he's trying to say the ultraviolet red ray of the sun is the growth of the sun. Yeah, in there. Yeah. One of the rays has a growth ray. Yes, red. The red one: inside it is the [growth ray], that's what I mean. The red. Yeah, red. Yeah. Shall I ask again? Infrared. Oh, infrared. No UV. No UV. You won't have this in Hawaii, but because Korea is cold, mothers cooking rice light a fire in the agungi, the fire hole under the stove.

네, red. 빨간 게, 그 안에 생명의 … 이 들어있다는 거예요. 다시 물어볼까요? 저 하와이에선 그런 일이 없을 건데, 한국은 춥기 때문에 엄마들이 밥을 지으려면 아궁이에 불을 떼잖아.

2:50:03 So, probably you have this, in Korea, When cold days and the mother fire the bottom and then cook the rice. When you light the fire, heat comes out. And when the heat comes out... [unclear] ...the heat [reaches] here. We don't have that over here. And the women who warm themselves at the fire while cooking rice and take in its rays have no disease of the womb. Oh, and then they squat and then burn the fire, and so hot heat comes here.

불을 때면 화기가 나오잖아요. 또 화기가 나오면 … 불을 때니까 화기가 여기 … 그리고 밥을 할 때 불을 쬐고 광선을 받은 사람들은 자궁에 병이 없어.

2:50:54 So they don't have disease or sickness in their uterus. So when young people travel and sit at a campfire, warming themselves at the fire, they get that much healthier. When you go camping, you have a fire outside and sit around and you will receive all those heat and the light so you will be healthy one day. What is that? It is nature's vital energy. That is the natural power, energy.

그래서 젊은 청년들이 여행 가서 캠프파이어 … 그 불을 쬐게 되면 그만큼 건강해지는 거예요. 그게 뭐냐 그러면 자연의 정기요.

2:51:40 That is the God's power, creative power. That is the creative power of God the Creator. Do you know where you are living? Do you know where you are living right now? Do you know? Where are you living? Where do you live? In the piko of the earth. Oh, in the piko of the earth. They say they live in the navel. We're living on a star, a star. Because we are living on a star. So God built your whole house for you. So, the God already built your home already.

그것이 바로 창조주 하나님의 창조의 능력이라고. 여러분은 지금 어디서 살고 있는지 아세요? 어디서 살고 있어요? 배꼽에 산대. 별에 살고 있는 거지, 별에. 그러니까 하나님이 여러분들 집을 다 지어준 거예요.

2:52:30 But living in the house he built, you don't know how precious it is and treat it carelessly: you farm with chemical fertilizer and pesticide. So, God gave you all this beautiful home and then you guys are putting your own things [unclear] ...are people bad guys or good guys? with the chemicals. So, the one who is living on the earth, are we good guy or bad guys? 'There is none righteous, no, not one.' That's what it says. There is no righteous people.

그런데 그 집을 지어준 데 살면서 그 집을 귀한 줄 모르고 함부로 대해가지고, 농사짓는 데 화학비료 주고 농약을 주잖아. … 사람은 나쁜 놈이여, 좋은 놈이여? 의인은 없나니 하나도 없다는 말이에요.

2:53:23 Now then: the parents you all know are your birth parents, saeng-bumo. So the one who gave birth, saeng-bumo, leaving parents, true parents. But what do you call the parents who raised me? Birth parents. But the one who raised me, What do you call that parents? The one that will raise you? Foster family? Good one.

그러면 말이죠, 여러분들 다 아는 부모는 생부모지. 그런데 나를 길러준 부모는 뭐라고 해요?

2:54:10 Yang-bumo: the parents who raised you. Yang-bumo. The one who is teaching parents Sa-bumo: the teacher-parents. mentor The one who teach you as a mentor I live by three parents: the birth parents who bore me, the parents who raised me, and the teacher-parents who teach me.

양부모. 양부모. 사부모. 나는 나를 낳아준 생부모, 나를 길러준 양부모, 나를 가르치는 사부모, 세 부모에 의해서 사는 사람입니다.

2:54:59 I am a person who grew up under three sets of parents: my birth parents who bore me, my raising parents who raised me, and my teaching parents who teach me. Me, and then the one who teach me. I'm living in those three parents. So the parents who raised your body are your raising parents. Then who are the parents who raised your body? Corn raised me. Tomatoes raised me. Oh, that's what he's saying. Okay. So the ones that raise you, parents, it can be your corn, papaya, or rice. All those are your parents who raised you.

나는 나를 낳아준 생부모고, 나를 길러준 양부모고, 나를 가르치는 사부모, 세 부모에 관해서 자란 사람입니다. 그러면 여러분의 몸을 길러준 부모가 양부모지. 그럼 몸을 길러준 부모는 누구예요? 옥수수도 나를 길러줬지, 도마도도 나를 길러줬지.

2:55:46 Those parents are the ones raising you. Right or not? Yes or no? Yes. Yes. So they raise you, right? So when you pour pesticide, insecticide, over tomatoes or papayas, what is that? So if you put pesticide and herbicide, so what did you do to them? So you kill the the parents, they raise you. [Partly unclear] …that is what you have done, isn't it?

그 부모님이 여러분을 키우는 거예요. 그래요, 안 그래요? 도마도나 파파야에다가 농약을, 살충제를 끼얹어 주는 것은 무엇이냐? (불명확) …을 지은 거지?

2:56:33 Then if there is a judge in this universe and he passes a verdict, what will the verdict be? So in the universe there is a judge. How he going to give you the sentence? Parricide: the crime of killing your own parents. Death. It's a murderer. So who are you? Aren't you prisoners on death row? So what are you? You are the death sentence. So should you farm in a way that kills your raising parents, or in a way that loves your raising parents? So how are you going to farm? Are you going to kill your parents or make your parents live?

그러면 이 우주에 재판관이 있어가지고 판결을 내리면 뭐라고 내리겠어? 존속 살해죄지. 그럼 여러분들이 누구예요? 사형수 아니야? 그러면 양부모를 죽이는 농사를 지어야 되겠어요? 양부모를 사랑하는 농사를 지어야 되겠어요?

2:57:24 Oh, he has to go to the... Thank you. Come on down. Just keep them down. So I'm going to talk 20 minutes more and then we go to dinner. Thank you. Thank you.

감사합니다. 감사합니다.