Crops Get Morning Sickness Too
Master Cho Han-kyu, interpreted by Kim Chang, Founder of Korean Natural Farming (Janong)
Spoken in Korean. Translated to English and checked line by line.
From the Korean saying 'a good field bears healthy children', Cho moves to pregnancy and morning sickness as his picture of a body asking for what it needs. Then he turns it on the farm: pigs, cows, chickens, papaya, mango and tomato have their own morning sickness and cycles, and corn bears its ears for its own young, not for us.
What they found
What does Cho mean when he says crops get morning sickness?
Still Thursday morning, same flip chart as the page before. Cho uses pregnancy as his picture of a body's changing needs and questions the room, then applies it to livestock and crops. Nothing is held up and no slides are shown.
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Korean saying: the field has to be good to bear healthy children.
A 'healthy field' is a healthy mother's body; her health counts if it bears a baby well. Cho uses it as the bridge from soil to the life cycle.
▶ 25:44 As spoken
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Cho's picture: a craving is the body asking; a nutrient picked by analysis is the head asking.
'What you crave is what the body wants; what you like by analysis is what the head wants.' He turns the picture on crops and livestock below.
▶ 29:56 As spoken
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Follow what the body wants: that is the real thing.
The interpreter: 'follow what body wants, not what we think.'
▶ 30:40 As spoken
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Pigs, cows, papaya, mango and tomato all go through 'morning sickness'.
Cho: 'Is it only people?' and names them. Mango is a likely reading of an unclear word.
▶ 37:16 As spoken
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Pigs, chickens, papaya and mango have their own cycles too, 'from microbes to every living thing'.
Cho uses 생리 (menstruation) for the reproductive cycle of livestock and crops; only natural farmers think this way, he says.
▶ 37:37 As spoken
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A famous professor called Cho crazy for saying crops have cycles like this.
Cho then asked him whether corn bears its ears for people to eat.
▶ 38:40 As spoken
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Corn bears its ears to raise its own children, not for people to eat.
People cut in and take them. The interpreter: 'stealing from the crop.'
▶ 39:38 As spoken
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Putting humans first is self-righteousness and arrogance.
Cho asks whether man is the lord of creation who shows it love.
▶ 41:19 As spoken
- Most of this page is about human pregnancy: Cho says morning sickness is the growing baby's bones asking for calcium phosphate and that a daughter should get it before marriage. These are not tested and we don't repeat them as advice.
- The crop side is only named here (who has a 'morning sickness'); what to give the crop at that stage comes later in the seminar and in Cho's books.
- Some Korean around 2155-2166, 2315 and 2406 could not be recovered.
- Crops and livestock change what they need as they move toward bearing young; watch for that turn.
- Corn and fruit are the plant's offspring: the plant is feeding its young, and you take a share.
Next to Master Cho's teaching
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Agrees
Crops have a 'morning sickness' at the changeover His 2003 book says plants get 'morning sickness' at flower-bud differentiation, that the changeover treatment answers it, and that sour things and calcium phosphate are good for it. Here he gives only the human picture and names the crops.
Cho, Janong Natural Farming (2003), p. 79
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Agrees
Same picture in his teaching posters The CGNF posters say plants also experience morning sickness just before flower-bud formation, when nutrients are drawn off by the growing offspring.
CGNF posters (Korean) (English translation), p. 3
“What the body wants is the real thing.”
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“Corn bears its ears to raise its own children, not for people to eat.”
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In this talk
Transcript
English translation, checked against the Korean as spoken.
25:58 In Korean old saying, the soil is healthy and then you will have healthy children. And 'a healthy field' means this: healthy children are born from a healthy mother's body. So healthy field makes mama body healthy, so healthy baby is coming out. Don't misunderstand me. Who gives birth to the baby — a man or a woman? [second half partly unclear] Don't misunderstand me. Who bears the baby? Is it the dad or mom?
그리고 건강한 밭이라고 하는 건 바로 뭐냐면, 건강한 엄마 몸에서 건강한 자녀가 태어난다 그런 말이지. 오해하지 마세요. 애기 낳는 분은 [남자여, 여자여]?
26:51 So a mother's health only counts as health if it's health that bears a baby well. It's mom. So mom has to be healthy to have a healthy baby, right? That's the healthy mom. Yes or no? Yes. Now then, here: when you were pregnant with that baby — morning sickness... So whoever had a baby before, when you bear a child, who didn't have morning sickness? No morning sickness?
그럼 엄마의 건강은 애기를 잘 낳는 건강이래야 건강한 거지. 자, 그러면 여기서, 그 애기를 임신했을 때 입덧…
27:36 No morning sickness... two people. Ah, two... [unclear] So who had morning sickness? Yeah. [You had morning sickness] and you felt good? [partly unclear] Do you feel good or bad when you have morning sickness? Not good at all. Then why do you get that bad thing? So why should you feel bad? Why do you have morning sickness?
아, 두 [명]… […] [입덧]하고… 기분이 좋았다고? 그 나쁜 것을 왜 [겪어야] 하느냐고.
28:24 That's scientific thinking. That's... chemistry, you know, analyzing the chemistry. [Hormone?] imbalance. [unclear] Not in balance. Balance is... Ah, you mean [nutrients]...? Balance... right? You mean it's out of balance. (checking the room's answer with Cho; partly unclear) Deficient in nutrients. Oh, he can understand! [A hears 'can't'] What kind of balance was it? Vitamin B6. That's what this is about. So when a woman pregnant, what they want to eat?
그게 과학적인 생각이요. 아, […] 말인 거죠? 균형이… 맞아요? 균형이 안 잡혀서 말이에요. 그게 요런 얘기야.
29:10 When a mother is carrying a baby, what does she want to eat? What kind of food? Water and fruit. She likes to eat sour things. Thinking she likes it for the (vitamin C or phosphoric acid?) is just a theory, So who wants to eat something sour? That's a natural reaction, but who thinks like a vitamin C or phosphate, whatever that is, that is thinking of this side of brain. Yeah, yeah.
엄마가 애기 가졌을 때 무엇을 먹고 싶어해? …(비타민 C나 인산?)을 좋아한다고 생각하는 것은 이론 중 하나이고
29:55 Like this. So... what you crave is what the body wants, Theory. Theory, yeah. So naturally you come up with that crave, that's your body wants it. and what you like by analysis is what the head wants. But then the one that think of like a vitamin or other stuff is the brain wants it. Quality of food. They think in human way like they want quality of food. But you need to have a natural body craving. What the body wants is the real thing.
이렇게요. 그래서 … 좋아하는 것은 몸이 좋아하는 것이고 그 분석적으로 좋아하는 것은 머리가 좋아하는 거라고. 몸에서 원하는 것이 그 진짜죠.
30:41 So you need to follow what body wants, not what we think. When you get pregnant, how long until the morning sickness starts? So after you are pregnant, how long after you are having a morning sickness? Three months. Anyone else? How about other person? Well, I found it's different for many women. It can come on in the first trimester or in the end. It just depends. They can be thirsty, tired, hungry.
여러분들이 임신해가지고 며칠 만에 입덧하시나? 3개월. 다른 사람은요?
31:26 There's different reasons why women get morning sickness. Oh! Are you perhaps... in medicine, herbal medicine? But everyone is different. (partly unclear) Now, if you take the statistics of mothers who have carried babies up to now, In average, general, most of the pregnant women have a morning sickness in two and a half to three months. morning sickness comes two and a half to three months after conceiving. They have a morning sickness. And at that point, what grows first in the baby inside the mother's belly?
오! 저 혹시… 약, 한약 하는 분이에요? 근데 다 특이해요. 자, 그런데 그것이 지금까지 그 애기를 임신한 엄마들을 통계를 잡아보면은 임신 후 2달 반에서 3달 만에 입덧이 나. 그리고 …했을 때, 그 애기가 엄마 뱃속에서 뭐가 제일 먼저 자라?
32:16 So when babies in the three months old, what is grow first? Which part grows first? Some say the heart grows first, some say the ... grows first. This is no matter animal or human, the first thing they develop is bone. This is the same whether it's a person or an animal. Once pregnant, the baby, the fetus, first... what grows first of all? Bone. Bone.
어떤 애는 심장이 먼저 자라고 어떤 애는 …가 먼저 자라고. 이건 사람이든, 짐승이든 다 마찬가지야. 임신되면 제일 먼저 아기가, 태아가 먼저… 제일 먼저 자라는 게 어디야? 뼈야, 뼈.
33:02 They develop bone first. So, when they have a bone that is growing, what kind of nutrition they need? When that bone is growing, what nutrient does growing bone need? Calcium. Calcium is good. Mineralized. Calcium phosphate. Maybe calcium phosphate. So didn't you say that when the mother is pregnant and has morning sickness, the food she likes is sour things? So you guys said when a pregnant woman crave the sour food when they are having a morning sickness? So what is that acid? It's phosphoric acid.
그 뼈가 자랄 때, 뼈가 자라는 데는 무슨 영양을 필요로 해요? 그러면 엄마가 임신이 돼가지고 입덧할 때 좋아하는 음식이 신 거를 좋아한다고 하지 않았어? 그럼 산이 뭐야? 그게 인산입니다.
33:52 So, sour taste is the acid. So, phosphoric acid is also sour taste. It gives you sour taste. So because the bone grows first, the baby in the belly is fussing, 'Mom, quick, calcium phosphate please, calcium phosphate please!' That's what morning sickness is. That's how you understand it. So baby needs to generate the nice bone. Baby wants to catch calcium phosphate. That's why, that's the reaction of the morning sickness.
그래서 … 뼈가 먼저 자라기 때문에 배 속에 있는 아기가 빨리 '엄마, 인산칼슘 좀, 인산칼슘 좀' 하고 보채는 게 입덧이니까, 그렇게 이해하는 거지.
34:38 So you have to consume those... So if you're thinking the mother, your wife, should get pregnant: should she take calcium phosphate before getting pregnant, or after she's pregnant? So, when a woman is ready to become pregnant, do you need to give them before or after you have to consume those calcium phosphate? Before. Before you get a husband. Before? Yes. That's what I'm saying: before you get a husband. If you're planning to marry off (your daughter), you should feed her calcium phosphate before she marries.
그러면 엄마가, 아내가 임신을 해야 될 텐데 이렇게 생각되면, 임신하기 전에 인산칼슘을 먹어줘야 돼? 임신이 된 다음에 인산칼슘을 먹어줘야 돼? 전에? 네. 자, 그 얘기하고 있는 거, before you get a husband. …시집 보내려고 생각하면 시집 보내기 전에 인산칼슘을 먹여줬어야 되지.
35:27 So before your daughter get married, give her calcium phosphate-rich food. That is the heart of parents who love their children. That's the loving mind of parents. Then no one is sick. ...No. If you do that, then the daughters too... (largely unclear) Then the other daughters will live as they want, When you do that, your daughter's pregnant health is good and your baby's health is really good.
그게 자식을 사랑하는 부모의 마음이지. … 아니요. 그렇게 되면 … 딸들도 …
36:17 Do you think about that, or not? Very healthy. Do you think that way now or not? Yes. From that angle: if I suffered the whole time after I married and had a baby... was I a fool, or was I smart? It's not a myth. So when you had a morning sickness, was I smart one or fool or stupid one? Stupid. ...you were a fool. So you were stupid, you know. Oh, wow! What's this?
그것을 생각해요? 안 해요? 그런 측면에서, 내가 시집가서 애기 낳을 때 계속 고생했다는 건… 내가 바보였었어? 똑똑한 거였었어? …바보였죠. 이거 뭐지?
37:09 It's okay. So is it only people? So not only humans have a morning sickness, all the livestock, all the plants, fruits, they have a morning sickness. Pigs do it too, cows, papaya, mango, tomato, all of them... Just like us. What this means is That means not only human beings have menstruation, all the livestock, crops, plants and food, they all have menstruation. it's not only people who menstruate: pigs, chickens, papaya, mango too.
그러니까 사람만 그러냐. 돼지도 그렇고 소도, 파파야도, 망고도, 토마토도 다… 이건 무슨 말이냐 그러면 사람만 생리를 하는 게 아니라 돼지고 닭이고 파파야고 망고고.
37:54 Have you ever thought that crops menstruate? Have you ever thought that a crop has menstruation? Well? Well? So in the whole world, thinking that every living thing, starting from microbes, menstruates... Yes. So, in all over the world, who is thinking, even microbes to all the living things has menstruation. thinking that way is only natural farmer. Nobody thinks that way. [Unclear Korean. Whisper's rough reading: 'I told this to a famous professor in the US.']
여러분들 작물이 생리한다고 생각해봤어요? 어때요? 어때요? 그래서 전 세계에서 미생물부터 모든 생명체는 생리를 한다고 생각하는 건… …(불명확)…
38:39 I told him. When I said crops menstruate, he called me a crazy guy. So he was talking to this professor and he told him that crops have menstruation and he told him you are crazy. So he asked the doctor, so when corn have all those foods, is that food is for the human So I asked him. '...that corn, does it bear its ears for people to eat?' That's what I asked him.
제가 얘기했죠. 작물이 생리를 한다고 얘기를 했더니 나보고 미친 놈이라고 그래. 그래서 제가 물어봤어요. … 그 옥수수가 열매를 … 사람 먹으라고 열리느냐, 라고 이렇게 물어봤거든요.
39:26 to consume that's why he asked the doctor. And again he told him you are crazy man. But when corn bears its ears, it bears them to raise its own children, not for people to eat. So corn, having their corn here, they want to spread their children, not humans to consume. Do you know what he meant there? Yeah. But people take that and... ...cut in and eat it, and then... (unclear)
그런데 그 옥수수가 열매가 열릴 때는 자기 자식을 키우려고 열리는 거지, 사람 먹으라고 열리는 게 아니거든요. 근데 사람은 그걸 갖다가 … … 새치기해서 먹으면서 … (불명확)
40:14 So human being is actually fetching, stealing from the crop and then eating their babies actually. And then they lie and they stammer, blah blah blah. So is man the lord of all creation, or the ... of all creation? So is the human instead of the universe, top of the universe or destroying the universe? Can you say that human is taking care of the universe? And with that, can you say man is the lord of creation, that he gives it love?
그럼 인간이 만물의 영장이냐, 인간이 만물의 …이냐. 그러면서 인간이 만물의 영장이라고, 사랑을 베푼다고 얘기할 수 있어요?
41:03 We are doing those kind of act? He is asking, could I be a good man? And the reason for that is So people always think about their health first. the self-righteousness and arrogance of people who put humans first. That is coming from their high ego. Yeah, it's just very selfish. (Unclear Korean.)
그에 대한 그것이 바로 뭐냐면 인간 본위를 먼저 생각한 인간들의 독선, 오만 때문에 그렇거든. …(불명확)…