Plump, Slim, Plump Again: Feed Every Stage

1:16:11 Here we go! But there's one thing here you really have to understand: haven't you had babies and raised them? When a mother gives birth, whether the baby is chubby or just skin and bones, So when you are a mom, I mean woman who give birth, the baby is kind of chubby or just skin with a bone when baby just born. Skin with bone. Bone and skin. even a skin-and-bones baby puts on weight drinking its mother's milk, doesn't it? And by one or two years old, doesn't it get chubby? After they are born, they drink mom's milk and gain weight.

시작! 그런데 여기서 한 가지 딱 알아줘야 될 것은 여러분들이 애기를 낳아서 길러 보지 않았나요? 엄마가 애기를 낳을 때 통통하게 살찐 거나, 뼈하고 가죽만 남은 [애기나] 뼈하고 가죽. 뼈, 가죽만 남은 [애기도] 엄마 젖 먹으면 살이 찌지 않나요? 그래서 한 살, 두 살 되게 되면 통통해지지 않나요?

1:17:00 So when they are one or two years old, they start to really plump. So is it only people? Tomatoes too... So not only human, tomato and paprika and all those crops are that way too. Yes. It's all protein. Drinking mother's milk, the baby takes in plenty of protein, so it puts on weight. Same with livestock. Yes. Paprika, tomato, papaya too:

그러면 사람만 그렇고 토마토도… 다 단백질이에요. 엄마 젖을 먹을 때는 단백질을 풍부하게 먹으니까 아이가 살이 찌잖아. 파프리카나 토마토나 파파야도

1:17:48 when they're young, you have to raise the plant so it fills out. So in nature, like human babies, when they're young, they are kind of chubby. So you need to grow your young crop kind of chubby too. So pigs and chicks too: when young they're fattened up plump, then once they've grown big they turn slim, and at a certain point you have to fatten them [again]. So in our life cycle, when certain cycle they are plump, and then certain cycle they are skinny and then certain cycle they became a plum again.

어렸을 때는 나무를 갖다 살이 찌게 길러야 되지. 그래서 돼지고 병아리고 어렸을 땐 살이 통통하게 찌웠다가, 어느 정도 크게 자라면 또 날씬한 형이 되었다가 어느 정도 되면 [다시] 살을 찌워야 되지.

1:18:35 So if I compare with human beings, when they are up to 3 to 4 they are kind of chubby, It's the same raising people. A baby at 2, 3, 4 years old, isn't it chubby? But at 5 or 6 it [grows and] slims down. And then up to six years old they start to slim. Are they [like that] or not? Yes. We've all seen it, right? You grew up too, didn't you? We can't tell. You grow the same way, right?

그래서 사람을 키우는 [것도], 애기가 2살, 3살, 4살 된 애는 살찌지 않아? 그런데 5살, 6살 되면 [크면서] 날씬해지지. 우리 다 봐서 알죠? 자기들도 자랐지?

1:19:21 Then at 10, 11, 12, 13 they get chubby again, don't they? So between age 11 to 13, they gain weight again. Chubby again, I'm saying. Then at 14, 15, 16 they slim down again. So around 14, 15 to 18 they became slim again. So, around 19 to 21, they gain weight a little bit and then slim again. At 19, 20, 21, the age to marry, they get chubby again and then thin out.

그래서 열 살, 열한 살, 열두 살, 열세 살에 다시 통통해지잖아요. 다시 통통해진단 말이에요. 그래가지고서 14, 15, 16살 되면 다시 또 날씬해지지. 19살, 20살, 21살, 시집갈 나이가 되면은 다시 통통해졌다가 야위지.

1:20:13 And once the wedding date is set, she gets thinner. So when they have a wedding day around that age, are they slim or gaining weight? Are they slim? Thin. She gets thin. Love Yes, that's right. Yes, they are slim. They are slim because they have love and they can have children. she can love, and [her body] is ready to carry a baby. So when they became slim, in that age, you can have a love and you can have a baby easier. Then once she has her husband's love, she gets chubby again.

그래가지고 시집갈 날짜를 잡아 놓으면 야위어져요. 야위지. 야위어요. 사랑이 사랑하는 수가 있고 애기를 가질 수 있는 [몸이] 됩니다. 그래서 신랑 사랑을 받으면 다시 통통해져요.

1:20:59 So after she got married and then have a husband's love, and then she will start gaining weight again. And when she becomes pregnant, she [gets] thin. So when she became pregnant, did she gain weight or became slimmer? Slim. That's right. She became slimmer. That's the life cycle. So you have to take in nutrition matched to that. So the [principle] he just explained: you have to meet right time, you have to give the right nutrient.

그래가지고 임신될 때가 되면 야위어 [져요]. 그래서 그것에 맞춰서 영양을 취해야 되는 거예요.

1:21:51 But if you eat rich food at that time, the body gets abnormally fat. So if you don't according to given nutrient, diet nutrient, the body became more big and then obese. If the balance isn't kept at the changeover period (교대기), at that stage it should grow true to its stage, but whether it grew too much or too little, disease comes. So when you don't give a right nutrient, if you get too much or too little, they start to get sick. So tomato and [pepper]... when growing paprika and the like, how many days this stage will be,

그런데 그때 영양분이 많은 걸 먹게 되면 몸이 이상하게 비만이 돼. 그게 교대기에 균형을 맞추지 못하면은 그 시기에 그것답게 자라야 되는데, 지나치게 자랐든 모자라게 자랐든 병이 오는 거예요. 그래서 토마토와 [고추]… 파프리카나 이런 걸 재배할 때 요것이 며칠 될지

1:22:41 if you get that exactly right and match [the nutrition] to what it is at that time, you get a big harvest and no disease, Otherwise they get sick. So we made [charts for] paprika, tomato and other fruiting crops. So like paprika and tomato and the fruiting crops, when you don't give the right amount of nutrients, they get sick. If you have the right, correct nutrients and give them at the correct time, then you will have lots of fruits. So in Natural Farming, we made a chart of what nutrition to give at each stage.

이것 딱딱 되어 가지고 그때 그것답게 [영양을] 맞췄으면 수확도 많이 나고 병도 안 걸리는데 그렇지 않으면 병이 걸리는 거예요. 그래서 파프리카, 토마토 (같은 과채류)를 만들었고 그래서 자연농업에서는 그 시기에 맞춰서 어떤 영양을 줘야 되느냐를 다 도표로 만들었어요.

1:23:23 So he made, according to the life cycle, what each plant is going to be given, those things in the... What is the name of the, um...? Graph. Graph. He made that graph. This time I brought it and asked to have it translated, and until now I have never presented it. I'm presenting only this one [here]. He didn't give this graph before, but only this time we are going to translate that graph and then give it to you, because this is level three. So is that why it rose up like this? [unclear]

요번에 제가 가져와서 번역을 의뢰했는데 지금까지 제가 (공개)한 적이 없거든요. 이것만 논한다고 생각합니다. 그래서 이렇게 다시 일어났나.

1:24:12 I think that's why there was a big rainbow yesterday. So, just as a person's body shape changes with age, plants too, their bodies all change with age. So even the crops, not only human beings have a life cycle, even crops have a life cycle. You have to follow according to their life cycle. So we'll take that up in the evening [heard as 'every evening'; the interpreter said 'tomorrow evening']. So he is going to explain to you tomorrow evening. I don't know whether you'll bring a lot of tuition. I don't know if you guys bring lots of tuition.

자, 그래서 사람이 나이 따라서 몸집이 달라지는 것과 마찬가지고 식물도 다 몸, 나이 따라서 몸이 달라져. 그래서 고걸 갖다가 매일 저녁에 하는 거예요. 수업료를 많이 가져오는지 몰라.

1:24:59 [unclear; heard as] Thank you for coming to class. He is just joking. If you bring just a little bit of tuition, I'm gonna teach you just a little bit. So I'm not going to ask you for a hand, so you put it out of your hand. The heat in my body,

수업에 와주셔서 고마워요. 이 내 몸에 열이라는 것은

1:25:48 comes from microbes fermenting the food we eat. So our body temperature, that is from the micro fermentation. Now among these kinds of heat, there is natural heat [from the sun], there's the hot heat when you boil something, and there is the fermentation heat that microbes give off. Say the sunshine is strong and it gets to 60 or 70 degrees, can we live or not? Who can live? If it became 60, 70 degrees... in Celsius? [Interpreter:] Celsius? [Cho:] Celsius. So there is heat from the sky,

먹은 음식을 미생물이 발효시킬 때 나는 것입니다. 그런데 이 열 중에는 천연열이 있고 누가 끓여도 뜨거운 열이 있지. 그리고 미생물이 얻은 발효열이 있단 말이야. 그때 우리가 햇볕이 많은데 60도 내지 70도 되었고 살아요 못 살아? 누가 살아? 60도, 70도 됐다 그러면... 섭씨로? 섭씨로.

1:26:35 heat from, you know, when we boil water, and also fermentation heat. If the sun heats and that temperature became 60 Celsius, 70 Celsius, then can we survive that? So we would burn and die. If your hot spring water went up to 60 or 70 degrees, could you go in or not? Let's say that spring water is 60 Celsius or 70 Celsius. Can we live in there? Can we go in there? We cannot go in there.

만약에 여러분 온천물이 60도 내지 70도로 올라갔다면 들어가? 못 들어가?

1:27:23 But the heat microbes give off when they ferment goes up to 60 to 70 degrees Celsius, and a person can go in there and it doesn't matter at all. But the microorganism heating, their heat, sometimes it goes up to 60 Celsius, but we can go in there and lie down. It doesn't burn you. Sand. Has anyone gone to a sandy beach in the sun and buried themselves in the sand for a sand bath? Anybody who went to the beach and put all this sand on your body, buried your body and

그런데 미생물이 발효시킨 열, 미생물이 발효시킬 때 나오는 열이 60도 내지 70도 섭씨 올라가는데, 거기에는 사람이 들어가도 아무 상관이 없어. 모래. 해변 모래톱에 가서 모래찜질을 해 본 경험이 있나요?

1:28:10 like in there. Anybody have that experience? So when you do that, if the temperature goes up to 60 Celsius, can you stay in there or not? They say they can't. No, not there. I'm going to show you this evening: when you make IMO number 4, its fermentation heat goes up as high as 60 degrees. But you can go in there and it's no problem at all. So I'm going to show that slide this evening. When we make our indigenous microorganism number four, the temperature goes up to that much.

못 한대요. 그런데 오늘 저녁에 보여드리려고 하는데 토착미생물 4번을 만들 때 그 발효열이 60도씩도 올라가. 그런데 거기 들어가도 아무 상관없죠.

1:28:55 But then you can go in there with your clothes on and lie in there. I will show you this evening. That is the heat that comes out when you make IMO [number 4]. It's heat that just gets thrown away. But if you take it and use it for people's health, it's a very, very good treatment. That heat from the microorganism, that heat is actually waste heat, but when you use it on your body, it heals your body. So that's being done now in Korea and Japan; it's called a microbe sauna. So we actually do it in Korea and Japan.

그거는 토착미생물 (4번)을 만들 때 나오는 열이요. 그냥 버리는 열이거든. 그런데 그걸 갖다가 사람들의 건강을 위해서 활용하면 아주 굉장히 좋은 치료(가 돼). 그래서 그걸 갖다가 지금 한국하고 일본에서 하고 있는데, 미생물 사우나라고 해요.

1:29:48 That is, we call it the microorganism sauna. But it goes up to 60 to 70 degrees, and the cancer cells in our body, you know, brain tumors, these cancer cells, once it passes about 35 [unclear: degrees, or possibly 3 to 5 minutes], they all die. Oh, they use it for, like, you go into that IMO 4 sauna, the heat goes up to 60 Celsius, but the cancer cell dies at about 35 Celsius. So they use that for healing for cancer patients. So when you do Natural Farming and make IMO number 4, and it ferments and gives off heat, you can use it for your own household [unclear], and after the treatment...

그런데 그것이 60~70도 올라가는데, 우리 몸에 있는 암세포 있잖아. 뇌종양이나 이 암세포는 되게 35... 정도만 지나가면 다 죽어. 그래서 여러분들이 자연농업 하면서 토착미생물 4번을 만들었다가 열이 나서 발효되게 되면 자기 집안 (식구들) ... 할 수 있고, 치료하고 난 다음에는

1:30:47 So after we use that as an IMO sauna, we use it on our field, so it makes our crops healthy and then livestock healthy. If you'd like to try that yourselves, [unclear: in a year, two or three years], if you come on a trip once, you can also see Natural Farming sites. If you want to experience that, come to Korea or Japan for a tour, then you can experience that IMO sauna. December 5, 6, 7.

만약에 여러분들이 그런 걸 직접 해 보겠다는 것은 1년이나 2년이나 3년 정도 여행을 한번 오면은 자연농업 현장도 볼 수 있고

1:31:33 Oh yeah, we have an advanced, uh, fruit, orchard... 5, 6, 7, 8. seminar in Korea, December 5, 6, 7, 8. So we will send you the information. I think we have everyone's email. So anybody want to come, just contact us. Got it? Yes, I understand. Then we'll see you there again.

5, 6, 7, 8. 알았어요? 그럼 그때 또 만나요.

1:32:18 So we are having lunch 12 to 1. Yes, so now we'll rest, go eat, and come back around 1 o'clock. So, what's the question? Regarding the ocean water 1 to 30 dilution, you said that the plant's natural salinity is 0.1% and the dilution is 1 to 30,

네, 그래서 우리 이제 쉬고, 밥을 먹으러 (갔다가) 1시쯤에 돌아오겠습니다.

1:33:04 so what happens to the extra, like, salinity being a little stronger than it needs? Why is that? Why is it 30 instead of 40, because 4% is the natural salinity of the ocean? 3%. Okay. Never mind. Could you explain how the microorganisms are absorbed through the skin? [Relaying to Cho:] She asks how the microbes get absorbed into the body, absorbing the microbes? Not the micro, we are using microorganism heat.

미생물이 어떻게 몸으로 흡수를 하냐고요. 미생물을 흡수하는 것이죠?

1:33:51 Heat is healing the cancer. Oh, and not the heat itself. Yeah, but the heat is coming from microorganism. Because we ferment the microorganism number four. Yeah, yeah. They do, you know, people, they do that. And so on a microorganism number four, people go in there... it's so hot in there. So, another question. When you are watering your plants, and much of the water we have has bleach in it,

1:34:37 is there a way that we can remedy that? If you have all the water, you let it sit one day, and then you can get rid of all the bleach. So you just let it sit overnight. Best water is rainwater. And how do you, um, how do you store IMO 3? Oh, there is another question. [Relaying to Cho:] If you store IMO 3, how do you store it? Question in the back. How do you store it? Good for all year? He's going to teach you this afternoon.

IMO 3번 저장을 해도, 어떻게 저장을 하는지.

1:35:22 The 1 to 30 for seawater, is that for all plants? 1 to 30? 1 to 30. He's trying to give you a prescription. Set seawater at 1 to 30, and then do it the same for all crops. Anyone else? Oh, Peggy. Peggy first. So I grew up back east and in the Midwest, and they would give animals salt blocks. Does this accomplish the same purpose as salt blocks?

1대 30. 1대 30으로 바닷물을 세운 다음에 모든 작물에 똑같이 해 줍니다.

1:36:09 She came from the middle of America. There, they give animals that thing that looks like a salt brick, a mineral block, they call it, whether the seawater can take the place of that. No. You need to use salt water. Yes. We don't have ocean water. She says they don't have seawater. How many miles? [Relaying to Cho:] They are far from the sea, far away, this far.

(자기는) 미국 중간에서 왔는데요. 거기에서는 동물한테 그 소금 벽돌같이 생긴 거, 미네랄 (블록)이라고 하는데, 그걸 대신할 수 있는 건지. 자기네들은 바닷물이 없대요. 몇 마일? 바다에서 멀리 떨어져, 이만큼까지.

1:36:54 [unclear] You can't get salt in there. No way. There's no salt around there. No. It's like in Minnesota. [Relaying to Cho:] The sea is very far, so in a place like that, can something substitute for it? Ah, then you make seawater. There is a way to make it. You make a simulation of the ocean water yourself, to make it in your place. From sea salt. Yeah, sea salt. He's going to teach you later.

바다가 굉장히 멀어서, 그런 데서 대체를 할 수 있는 건지요. 아, 그러면 바닷물을 만드는 거예요. 만드는 방법이 있어요.

1:37:42 If you don't have access to local feed for your animals, can you inoculate whatever you have on hand, you know, like something coming off the mainland, for example, with your IMOs, and use that? [Relaying to Cho:] Here the animal feed runs short, so feed brought in from elsewhere: should you put microbes in it like this, ferment it and feed it? There's a slide for that; I'll show you the slide. He's going to show you this evening with a slide. Is there a different feeding approach when you are trying to produce a healthier seed rather than a fruit?

여기 지방에 동물 먹이가 모자라서, 딴 데서 갖고 온 먹이에다가 미생물을 이렇게 넣어가지고 발효시켜서 먹여야 되는 거예요? 그 오른쪽에 슬라이드 보이는데, 슬라이드 보여 드릴 거예요.

1:38:36 Healthy seed? If you're growing a crop for seed production, say something like clover, is there a different feeding approach to make healthier seed and more abundant seeds than there would be if you're growing a fruiting plant? [Relaying to Cho:] She produces seed. So, how to make healthy seed. They don't produce fruit; they make seed. How do you make the seed? When it comes to the materials for setting seed, do you do it differently, different from what you eat?

자기는 씨, 씨를 생산한대요. 그래서 건강한 씨를 어떻게 만드는지. 그 과일을 생산하는 게 아니고 자기네는 씨를 만드는 거예요. 그 씨가 되게 어떻게 만들어요? 씨를 맺는 재료들을 보면요, 다르게 하느냐, 먹는 거하고 다르게 하느냐?

1:39:28 For taking seed, for taking seed... isn't it very different from the fruit you eat? Hmm... [unclear] It's a study of producing a lot as seed. There is a method for that. It's a little different. There's a little different way. Would you be willing to share that with me? So where are you from? Philadelphia. So if you want to do that,

종자를 받기 위한... 과일을 먹는 것하고 너무 다르지 않냐고. 음... (별로 같은 건데요). 종자로 많이 만드는 공부거든요. 그런 방법이 있어요.

1:40:14 he has to go to your place and see it first. So he has to taste your soil. I know he does that. My soil is in Portland, Oregon. Portland, Oregon. Her land is in Oregon, she says? You have to go to where your land is. I thought you were in Michigan right now? Oregon. Oregon. Yes, so he has to go to Oregon and taste your soil. Anytime. Maybe you can invite him to Oregon for a seminar.

자기 땅은 오레곤에 있대요?

1:41:03 Yeah. And there's another way of spreading natural farming. He said, talk to CGNF Hawaii members first and then create something first. [Relaying to Cho:] So she would invite you, sir, there... [mostly inaudible] ... CGNF Hawaii ... Regarding the salt water application, say you have a vegetable bed and you have a nice well-balanced living soil in there, how many times would you have to do the sea water application, and how often would you need to redo it if the soil is already at a healthy state?

그래서 원장님을 거기로 초대해서... ... CGNF 하와이 ...

1:41:57 [Relaying to Cho:] Her soil is already healthy; doing Natural Farming, how much seawater to give, and how often? [unclear] [at the flip chart] ... the crop is the professor.

자기 땅이 벌써 건강한데, 이 자연농업을 할 때 바닷물을 얼만큼 주고 (얼마나 자주?) ... 작물이 교수고.

1:43:03 So this is the farm, farm is the university, and then this is the crop, crop is the professor, and then this is the student. The student. Students... the farmer. Students. Oh, the student is us. The farmer. You got it? Okay. Can you say that one more time? I got it. I don't know if they...

1:43:50 So you mentioned that after a drought to use 1 to 30 seawater, and that helps the plants get ready to uptake nutrients. No, no, no. No? When it's drought, the grass is turning into acid, more acid. To neutralize that, you need to give them ocean water. Thank you. Then it becomes a neutralizer. To feed to the livestock. Sorry, I want to go back to the salt block, because if the seawater is not replacing the salt block,

1:44:37 does he still recommend salt blocks for livestock? Yes. Okay. That salt block, it can't be replaced with seawater, right? No. The salt block: the animals lick it and replenish their salt. It isn't something seawater replaces. So animals, you let them lick the salt block to absorb the minerals. We don't do it with the salt water. [To Cho:] But sometimes we put a little saltwater into the animals' water too, don't we?

아니 그거 소금 벽돌, 그걸 바닷물로 대체할 수 없잖아요? 아니요. 소금 벽돌은 (소가) 핥아 먹어서 염분을 보충하는 거지, 바닷물로 대체하는 게 아니야. 근데요, 가끔은 우리 동물 물에다가 소금물도 조금 넣어서 먹이잖아요?

1:45:25 That brick-shaped thing isn't only salt. It's got all sorts of other things mixed in. They mix other stuff in the salt block. Some stuff is not available in the ocean water. That's why they use that salt block for livestock. I know that the salt blocks were causing scrapie outbreaks in the Colorado area. And it was from high manganese levels, they were saying. Oh. And so that's why I have been gun-shy of using plain white salt. If you're making it with salt, you have to put in pure salt; you don't put in [unclear: 'light', possibly processed] salt.

저거, 그 벽돌 모양 한 거는 소금만이 아니야. 다른 건 다 섞은 거라고. 소금을 만들면 어느 순수한 소금을 넣어야 되지, 가벼운 소금은 넣지 않습니다.

1:46:23 So you cannot... you have to use pure ocean water. The one that, uh, the one that humans twisted, like that salt block, it doesn't really work. It's not the same. Okay. Yeah. I think there's a Himalayan one that I saw that was like a chunk of mined salt. Oh. [unclear] [Relaying the Himalayan salt comment] But that salt from the Himalayas... [Cho:] No, no. [unclear] salt. Oh. Redmond. Then make it with seawater, [unclear], he says.

근데 그 소금, 히말라야에서... 아니야 아니야. 그러면 바닷물과 (…)을 만들어라 그래.

1:47:16 So in that case, with the salt, ocean water, make up salt water. I usually add some to my goat's water. [Relaying to Cho:] She puts seawater in for her goats, not sheep, [in their water]. What I'm talking about now is not giving seawater to livestock; I'm talking about giving it to the crops. He's teaching using ocean water with the crops. Okay. Not livestock.

자기가 자기네 양이 아닌 염소에다가, 바닷물을 넣어서 (먹인대요). 지금 내가 얘기하는 것은 바닷물을 가축에다 주는 걸 얘기하는 게 아니라, 그 작물에게 주는 것을 얘기하는 거다.

1:48:01 Yeah. Okay. Somebody brought it up. Yeah. So. He's trying to go. Uh-oh. I love being on topic. I love you too. Okay, so you guys, so right now it's 12 o'clock, we'll break till one. Um, when you hear, um, last

1:48:52 time we had a thing where we said, "E hoʻi." And basically that means, please return here. So when you hear that saying going, repeat it yourself so other people that are further away can hear it, but start walking this way, end your conversation as quick as you can, and start moving back to this. So when you hear "E hoʻi," come back to this room. Thank you.