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Brown Sugar + Rice = the Whole Toolbox

Joe McGinn, Hawaii Natural Farming, Oʻahu

Joe McGinn, in a Year of the Rooster shirt and headset mic, writes on the flip chart while the room listens.
Joe McGinn, in a Year of the Rooster shirt and headset mic, writes on the flip chart while the room listens.
The hall in Makapala during Joe McGinn's talk, about fifty people seated around him.
The hall in Makapala during Joe McGinn's talk, about fifty people seated around him.

Video of this visit will be added to the members' archive. The transcript times below match that recording.

Joe McGinn opens the afternoon by asking everyone where their grandparents are from, then walks through Cho's principles of natural farming in slides, read through a Hawaiian lens. He ends on a simple point: every solution rests on brown sugar or on rice vinegar, so anyone can start, beginning with Food (FPJ).

What they found

The question

What do Cho's principles look like when an Oʻahu farmer teaches them, and what is the least you need to start?

How they tested it

Thursday afternoon, the first talk after lunch. Joe McGinn, a guest speaker from Oʻahu, gives a slide talk in English ('Basic Principles of Natural Farming'). Master Cho is in the room but doesn't speak in this part, so there is no Korean and no interpreting. Slides read from the frames: a genealogy (Hawaiʻi > Ahupuaʻa > ʻIli > ʻOhana > Kānaka), the principles from Cho's 'blue book', the nutritive cycle as keiki/mākua/kūpuna, a guiding-principle triangle, photos of Microbes (IMO#1) boxes, and a 'Language of Natural Farming' slide.

What was compared
  • Microbes (IMO#1) box, as Joe teaches it — A natural wooden box filled about two-thirds with rice; the air space is 'very, very important'. Bamboo is a good place to set it. (Joe, spoken and slide; no quantities.)
  • Where a beginner starts — Food (FPJ): plant material and a little brown sugar in a jar. Joe starts beginners here because it needs nothing else. (Joe, spoken.)
Results
  1. Supermarkets and tractors came in around the 1930s, so grandparents born before then farmed without machines or chemical fertilizer

    Joe's reason for asking where everyone's grandparents are from: they very likely practised some kind of natural farming.

    ▶ 4:34 As spoken

  2. Everyone trained by Cho now belongs to an unbroken chain of knowledge from Cho's teachers through Cho

    So they owe it the most honest, pure keeping. Joe says Cho learned from 'five masters' in Japan and names Shibada Genshi; Cho's own books name three teachers.

    ▶ 8:46 As spoken

  3. Cho's principles on the slides: environmentally friendly, respect for life, high quality, no pesticide, no herbicide, no mechanical tillage, no chemical fertilizer, no pollution, no artificial heating, farmer-made feed and farmer-made solutions, the nutritive cycle

    Joe calls them the principles in Cho's 'blue book' and frames 'environmentally friendly' as mauka to makai.

    ▶ 11:26 From the slides

  4. Insects are messengers: don't shoot the messenger

    Read what the bug is telling you, then give the right nutrient, the right amount, at the right time.

    ▶ 12:17 As spoken

  5. A tractor tills 6 to 8 inches at most; earthworms go as deep as 6 meters in a drought

    Joe's case for letting soil animals do the tillage.

    ▶ 12:46 As spoken

  6. Two lettuce heads planted the same day: one on bagged organic fertilizer, one on natural farming

    Shown on the 'High Quality' slide to answer the myth that untreated produce is full of bug holes. No measurements given.

    ▶ 13:15 From the slides

  7. The nutritive cycle in Cho's terms is Type 2, changeover, Type 3

    Type 2 builds the plant body, mainly nitrogen, like a child building its skeleton. The changeover is like entering the reproductive years ('morning sickness'), fed calcium phosphate (Structure, WCP). Later, as fruit forms, calcium (Reproduction, WCA), like calcium for kūpuna.

    ▶ 15:00 As spoken

  8. Reproduction (WCA) at fruit forming improves shelf life and sweetness, and helps move nutrients if there's a blockage

    Joe's summary; no trial shown.

    ▶ 16:19 As spoken

  9. Joe's group grows Microbes (IMO) around the Hawaiian moon night called Akua

    Akua can mean God and, Joe says, fungus. 'The results speak for themselves, go try it out.' No results were shown.

    ▶ 18:10 As spoken

  10. Guiding triangle for decisions: first the ʻāina, then people, our own desire last

    Ask: is it best for this place (microbes, plants, animals, land, water)? Is it good for people? Only then: is it what I want?

    ▶ 21:54 From the slides

  11. Microbes (IMO#1): box two-thirds full of rice, keep the air space; bamboo is a great place to collect

    Shown with photos of the group's boxes.

    ▶ 22:37 From the slides

  12. Microbes (IMO), Protectors (LAB) and Medicine (OHN) are the three most powerful, and take the most time, commitment and resources

    Joe's ranking. His 'Language of Natural Farming' slide listed BRV twice on purpose; the second should be OHN, and the room also called out seawater.

    ▶ 23:24 As spoken

  13. Food (FPJ, FFJ) and Fuel (FAA) all need brown sugar; Cleanser (BRV), Reproduction (WCA) and Structure (WCP) all rest on vinegar from rice

    So 'the entire system can be broken down into two things, brown sugar and rice.' Start beginners on FPJ: a jar and brown sugar.

    ▶ 23:47 As spoken

  14. Brown rice beats white because the nutrients are in the bran and hull, which milling takes away

    Joe credits a 'Susan Kiefer' (name as heard). A question about whether the calcium solutions need brown rice vinegar is held for later; Kim Chang, the interpreter, and Cho answer it near the end of Drake's talk.

    ▶ 25:09 As spoken

  15. Dr. Park: almost all the solutions get better with age

    Joe: 'In natural farming, all of us get better with age.'

    ▶ 26:17 As spoken

Hold it loosely
  • This is Joe McGinn's teaching, not Cho's. Cho doesn't speak in this part.
  • The lettuce comparison and the Akua-moon IMO were shown or described without measurements.
  • Several answers in the opening grandparents round are in Hawaiian and only partly audible.
  • Joe's '0.02% understood' figure is second-hand (via Chris Trump); he gives the rest as 98.98%, which should be 99.98%.
For your farm
  • If you're new, start with Food (FPJ): plant material and brown sugar in a jar.
  • Leave air space in a Microbes (IMO#1) box; don't pack it full.
  • Before a decision, ask what's best for the land first, then for people, and only then what you want.
  • Treat insects as a message about the crop's condition, and answer with the right feed at the right time.

Next to Master Cho's teaching

  • Agrees

    Type 2, changeover, Type 3 These are Cho's own terms: Type II for active vegetative growth, Type III for flowering, with the changeover between them likened to morning sickness.

    Cho, Janong Natural Farming (2003), p. 83

  • Differs

    Cho learned from 'five masters' in Japan Cho's book names three Japanese teachers: Yamagishi Miyozo, Shibada Genshi and Ōinoue Yasushi. Cho names the same three later this afternoon. Five is Joe's number, not Cho's.

    Cho, Janong Natural Farming (2003), p. 7

  • Agrees

    IMO#1 box not overfilled; air space matters Cho fills the cedar box with steamed rice to about 7 cm and warns that overfilling cuts off the air the aerobic microbes need. Joe's 'two-thirds full' makes the same point.

    CGNF Advanced (2005.05) (English translation), p. 29

  • Agrees

    WCA late, as fruit forms, for sweetness and keeping Cho sprays WCA after the fruit has sized up, to stop overgrowth and give sweet, firm fruit.

    Cho, Janong Natural Farming (2003), p. 132

“Don't shoot the messenger. They're communicating something to you.”

▶ 12:17

“While a lot of people out there are just trying to fight to get a piece of a pie, guess what? We got the recipe. We can make as many pies as we want.”

▶ 20:50

“In natural farming, guess what, all of us get better with age.”

▶ 26:42

In this talk

  1. 0:00Where are your grandparents from?
  2. 4:15Grandparents farmed before supermarkets and tractors
  3. 5:53Cho's teachers and the chain of knowledge
  4. 10:13The person, the family, the land
  5. 11:23Cho's principles, slide by slide
  6. 14:59The nutritive cycle as keiki, mākua, kūpuna
  7. 16:43The Akua moon, spirit and practice
  8. 21:05Guiding principle: ʻāina, people, desire
  9. 22:32Brown sugar and rice: the language of natural farming
  10. 25:40A full toolbox, better with age

Transcript

English translation, checked against the English as spoken.